So this is slandering? A public report from a police report regarding the behavior of a usapa union leader in the union office?

GW258 - cactiboss did indeed, publicly slander another pilot, in my opinion. After I read his post I was reminded of the seven types of lies.
One type-
'"Potential Truths – Saying something as if it were fact without knowing for sure that it is true is also a lie. Fabrication is also included in this category. Rather than something that is just pulled out of the air, it could also be a misinterpretation of information or drawing false conclusions. Like explaining a scientific concept without actually knowing the fundamental principles and making it seem like you know what you are talking about or telling someone who asked for directions the way to someplace when you don’t actually know where it is."

This behavior is particularly reprehensible in light of the post that has thankfully, been since removed.

I agree completely with your post, but I have read multiple accounts of the financing and I do believe that technically it was a merger rather than a buy out of any sort - either way the most poignant and important thing that you pointed out is that airline pilots "are nothing more than a blue collar worker in a white shirt." The sooner airline pilots realize this and start acting like real blue collar unions, the sooner they will all have a fighting chance against management.

I could not agree more...it was a merger...which is why it is disingenuous for some to plead that they "bought" USAirways. Repetitive statements to that effect do not make it so...except in the minds of those who speak it.

I misunderstood your original post. I thought you were a East pilot trying to use safety as angle on SLI. Clearly, this is not a happy environment. It appears that much of this unhapiness is self-inflicted, but it's also true that these were two airlines that were very difficult to merge, perhaps impossible, considering the vastly different fates of the respective pilot groups. It's especially difficult now, when the performance of the merged company is allowing the East group to gloss over the predicament of their company at the time, which was to be crippled to the point of being merged with AWA.

I think the greatest stressor of all rests in a failure to accept reality, as much as it hurts, and to fail to honor one's commitments. The East group appears perpetually stuck between anger and denial, and sadly may remain that way until retired. I don't say this with any satisfaction, because I do acknowledge that it would be a tall order indeed for a UsAir pilot to accept what has happened to his/her career. Conversely, what a UsAir pilot would gain in a SLI, a AWA pilot would lose, and so it would not be fair to punish the AWA pilot for the fate of the UsAir pilot.

At any rate, if any pilot is so wound up about this that they cannot fly, they should remove themselves. That is their responsibility. I do agree that the conditions of all pilots in the industry, while acceptable, are not optimal. This is true for almost every airline, including a number that merged. The difference with the East group, is that everyone else managed to live up to their agreements, and has been able to wrok together.

Your ax will never be sharp enough.

It is you who clarified my position with the NIC award.

It is the scab list that makes me understand the venom that flows from PHX.

Uspa founders speak

What is the state of our Union today? In short, it is dreadful!
Notice: This letter has not been endorsed by Jamie Weidner or Eric Jordan

Philadelphia USAPA pilots:



We are writing you to ask for your support of Jamie Weidner and Eric Jordan as your next PHL BPR Vice Chairman Representatives. They are good men without a lot of baggage from ALPA, and they bring fresh ideas and the spirit of volunteerism that our union needs.

We note the other two candidates Mike Gillies and Brian Pflanzer are in the President’s pocket. They haven’t got an original idea between themselves, nothing more than Mike Cleary rubber stamps. Jamie and Eric answer to nobody; they think for themselves and are ready and willing to do the work for our pilots.

What is the state of our Union? In short it is dreadful! Our president is acting like a dictator. As an example, it has now taken 5 meetings to move the offices in Charlotte. Mike Cleary has used delay, obfuscation and dilatory parliamentary procedures to stop the will of 2/3 of the Board of Pilot Representatives regarding a simple office move.

There have been at least two recorded physical attacks in our Union, both directed at Secretary Treasurer Rob Streble. The first involved Mike Cleary. He placed his hands around Rob Streble’s neck in an argument over a billing for liquor on a credit card, which is against the USAPA Constitution. The second incident and more recent, involves Vice President Randy Mowrey pushing Rob Steble into a metal door frame over an argument regarding the ability of the Secretary Treasurer to call a meeting at the request of 1/3 of the Board of Pilot Representatives. This duty is clearly described and detailed in the Union Operating Manual. The most recent event was reported to the Charlotte Police. The BPR is aware of BOTH these allegations, as is USAPA outside legal counsel. Our current VP has a history of physical confrontation. He was tried but not convicted in FL of an incident involving the threat of violence. He was arrested for this event. They say where there is smoke there is fire, we don’t need the likes of Randy Mowery bringing his physical confrontational style into our own offices. Both Cleary and Mowrey need to resign for the good our Union.

Our union’s communication policy fails to produce complete and accurate information. You, the line pilot are not getting an accurate picture. You are not hearing civil discussion or debate. Our current President says that this is divisive and reminiscent of the old ALPA. BULL****! No democratic body can hold itself up as such without allowing and supporting vigorous and spirited debate. Our current BPR is not fulfilling their leadership role in telling you the line pilot about what is going on. First and foremost they must communicate to you to tell you what is happening at our meetings and they must speak frankly. They have not been doing this. They have been told that to speak against the “company line” from Mike Cleary is dangerous and divisive. I urge them to do so and in their own words describe what they think the state of our Union is and what the major issues facing our pilots are. Our pilots are in the dark.

The recent PHX update on the Office move that is posted on several web boards and available on the USAPA web site is titled “What does it take to move an Office.” It is an accurate and unbiased description of what has been transpiring in our union regarding the Office move. Please read it. It describes how the current leadership is manipulating the democratic process to attempt to thwart the will of 2/3 of the BPR.

We have a major difference with the West in the seniority issue. Jamie Weidner and Eric Jordan support Date of Hire as is specified in the Constitution. This is a guiding principle of our union and it is enshrined in the Constitution. However, absent the seniority issue we work with the West reps as members in good standing of USAPA. Brian Pflanzer and others have painted anyone who would cooperate with the West on issues other than seniority as traitors and supporters of the Nicolau award .It is a boldfaced DAMN lie. In fact, the mere act of not working with the West BPR members as equal members threatens our very charter. This cannot stand; they are a part of this Union and have the right to participate without any bias associated with outside litigation.

It is ridiculous to assume that any member who would call a West pilot friend or deal with him in a business like manner is somehow a traitor to the East. Brian Pflanzer has accused a PHL rep of being just such a traitor because West and East Reps have voted together on some issues unrelated to seniority. The word Union denotes coming together of those persons who labor in our craft and derive that Unity from our association. The seniority issue does divide us but there are many more issues that help unite us. Using idiotic words like traitor and painting any West pilot as the enemy is just plain stupid and shows a basic lack of understanding of the entire concept of a union.

We both worked quietly behind the scenes as Mike Cleary’s troubled behavior tainted everything we had worked for in starting this fine Union. He only left the ALPA nipple mere weeks before the election, and paid himself handsomely during his first year, often to the cap. We respected the will of the pilots and sat quietly for another year, knowing all well he was not the man to lead this group. We gave you our quick and dirty assessment last year during the EVP election, but apparently our words fell on deaf ears. This current leadership is out of control, and doing just what Mike Cleary always lectured to us in the beginning. “Power is never given it is always taken.” He is attempting to do just that now, by ghostwriting for the candidates of his choice. You will notice that we sign what we write. Not so with Cleary.

Philadelphia pilots, this election for BPR Vice Chairman has become a skirmish in a much greater debate about the course of our union. If you want pair of Presidential “rubber stamps” then vote for Mike Gillies and Brian Pflanzer. They are Cleary cronies, plain and simple. If you want independent and hard working representation then vote for Jamie Weidner and Eric Jordan. They are not in anyone’s pocket, ours or otherwise, and they will not toe the company line or an un-democratic union line if the current leadership attempts it.



Sincerely,



Steve Bradford and Mark King

You got a link? Date? Anything to confirm you didn't make this up, edit?

Who are the factual/unedited authors?

I for one am keen to your anti-union skeem.

You should be grateful you have a pilot group willing to stand up for something. I know your history!

You make a lot of noise because you are not getting the greatest windfall ever in a merger.

Lol, sure I made it up. You clowns are amazing.