I misspoke. ALPA does not use dues money to make political contributions. ALPA members who want to contribute to politicians can give to ALPA PAC. ALPA dues are strictly apolitical.





And how do you suppose those rules got there? A magic fairy?


Where did I say employers don't want CHEAP hard working employees. (See, I can read, even the words in all caps.)

You said employers want to "pay/treat their good employees fairly" -- I asked what constitutes fair. Now you've changed your position. You seem very confused.



My SHINNING city? Heck, I don't have a city, much less a SHINNING city. In fact, if I HAD a city, I would make sure it wasn't SHINNING.

But I think your backside is SHINNING. :eek:


Oh, I know you'd never call any of your captains a slug to their face. You've never called them lazy -- to their face. You've only done that behind their backs, on an "anonymous" internet forum. That doesn't make you a professional -- that makes you a spineless coward.



Maybe when you grow up you'll learn.






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So Unions can donate politically, Rodger that. Yes the FAR's are a direct result of unions. Airplanes crashing and killing people had nothing to do with it, and lord knows only unions care about safety. I said "employers want good hard working employees and will pay them fairly so as to keep them in the fold." You said I was living in a fantasy world and those employers were few and far between. As for Detroit, good move not delving into that discussion... I just don't understand how a completely unionized industry went so terribly wrong? As far as calling someone a Slug to their face. C'mon man, do you tell everyone who is lazy to their face, such(union or not)? I guess I should be a man go into work and tell a superior I think he's lazy and a worthless pile of steaming cow dung. You got me I'm a coward because I don't have the balls to tell a captain I think he's lazy. (Even thou he really was). And still don't what a PM is, I guess I'm an idiot.
Lastly I apologize for hijacking this thread temporarily. I have opted out of a union before, and yes caught a minor amount of grief for it. I don't like unions and could care less about how I was treated (which wasn't really bad). Let other sheep pay for union bosses to take luxury vacations.

Rodger, Roger, whatever works for you.

You obviously have no idea what influence the pilot union has had on legislation and safety standards in this industry. The good news is there's a cure for ignorance -- it's called learning. You have an opportunity now to learn. I can't help you if you refuse to learn.

I didn't touch Detroit because Detroit has nothing to do with unions, and we're not allowed to talk about politics on this forum.

Do I tell everyone who is lazy that they are lazy to their face? Of course not. I have the common discretion to keep such opinions to myself. What you've done is quite different. You have said things behind your captains' backs that you will never say to their face. I don't hide behind a cryptic screen name and hope nobody ever reads what I write and figures out it was me. I expect that everything I write will be read by my mother, my wife, my daughter, and my employer -- and if I'd have a problem saying any of it in their presence, I don't say it. So, when I type here that you're acting like a spineless coward, that means I would have no problem saying that to your face -- it has nothing to do with your genetalia.


You can continue to speak from a position of ignorance, or you can choose to educate yourself. It's up to you.






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Thanks Tony!

If you are talking about privately owned businesses, well sure, but publicly traded companies and corporations? Heck no. What they want is stock prices up, dividends, value, etc.

I got my first rebate check today, for the year ending Dec 31, 2012. Reimbursement for expenses "non-germaine" to administration of the CBA came to about 10%.

My pay would be docked the same amount whether I'm a union member or not, so I fail to understand what I would possibly gain by "opting out".

Commun. Workers of Amer. v. Beck - 487 U.S. 735 (1988) :: Justia US Supreme Court Center

tl;dr?

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Just curious what segment of the industry you are in and how long have you been in the industry?

In the case of Detroit there is a world of difference between a public employee union and corporate employee union. Elected leaders don't have to worry about profit just reelection.

Monetarily what did your 10% amount to? Thx

Oh, it is a pittance, less than a pittance, even... about $12/month. From a practical standpoint it is negligible, less than negligible, even.

In principle, however, it is of great personal value to me. In addition, the reaction of some of the devout True Believers to my Non Believer status can at times be a source of entertainment.

For most of my time at DAL the LEC's posted a list of nonmembers. From the late eighties to the mid nineties about 10% of the pilot group were nonmembers. Delta was an open shop until the Pan Am acquisition when Alpa negotiated a small pay raise and agency shop to allow the integration of the acquired pilots. Since then the number of nonmembers has shrunk to very few.

That part would possibly be worth it...

That response is sarcasm, correct?

The late atheist, libertarian, pro-military scifi writer Robert Heinlein had a great quote regarding pacifists. Substitute "non-member" wherever you see the work "pacifist" and you will see what I think of them/you.

"A pacifist (non-member) is a shifty fellow who partakes of the benefits of society (collective bargaining agreement and associated representation) without being willing to pay...and claims a halo for his dishonesty."

Spoken like a true zealot. Four legs good, two legs bad.

I actually do pay my share of the cost of my CBA and associated representation. Willingly, in good conscience and in accordance with the provisions of that CBA.

I also defend that CBA vigorously, again in accordance with the provisions contained therein.

I am a big Heinlein fan and quote him often in everyday conversation. Your quote does not fit this mold. Perhaps if you were to read this entire thread and/or research the case law regarding fee paying objectors the misfit will become apparent. Failing that, if you were to search his quotes regarding religious zealotry and substitute "union" where appropriate you could possibly glimpse my true reasons.