Kirby's New Message
03-01-2017 | 03:05 PM
#31
Stuck Mic
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I honestly have a hard time believing the max will be that much more efficient for the extra $$$. Especially when you take a look at the "new" cockpit. Based on the pics I've seen it's just a prettier shade of lipstick.
Bring on the new 321NEOs!
Bring on the new 321NEOs!
03-01-2017 | 07:21 PM
#32
Line Holder
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14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
03-01-2017 | 07:33 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
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From: A320 Captain
14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
03-01-2017 | 09:07 PM
#34
Stuck Mic
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14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
03-01-2017 | 09:19 PM
#35
Don't say Guppy
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From: Guppy driver
14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
One more reason to buy NEO's, in addition to being able to eat off a table like a human, having some semblance of hearing remaining into your 50's, and not having the unbearable humiliation of having to fly something called a Guppy for a living.
03-02-2017 | 06:22 AM
#38
Banned
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From: A320 Cap
We're not adding any 50 seaters, it's just shifting. It's a net zero to the current fleet plan. Would you rather buy 65 737's we don't currently need and start losing money?
They're also going to finally start using them the way we're supposed to... on smaller cities that in no way support mainline flying. Yet. Finally ditching the stupidity of flying RJs and -8's between major hubs.
The sky isn't falling, I'm optimistic for the time being. Lot of smaller towns being added to pump passenger traffic into the system.
They're also going to finally start using them the way we're supposed to... on smaller cities that in no way support mainline flying. Yet. Finally ditching the stupidity of flying RJs and -8's between major hubs.
The sky isn't falling, I'm optimistic for the time being. Lot of smaller towns being added to pump passenger traffic into the system.
03-02-2017 | 07:12 AM
#39
You scratched my anchor
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I hope that's the true reason for the deferment. I wonder what the break even point is on a NG vs MAX though? I remember Dal years ago stating the break even point of a used MD90 (price tag +fuel) vs a new 737 NG (price tag+fuel) was something like 20 years. In other words it would take 20 years in added fuel costs from the MD to equal the bigger price tag of the new guppy. I wonder how many more millions of $ the MAX is than the last of the NG's.
-an American pilot
03-02-2017 | 08:26 AM
#40
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From: B777 CA
https://www.thestreet.com/story/1402...footsteps.html
I'll take Kirby in a NY second over the that ego maniac - grossly incompetent Smisek. We have a good scope clause (industry's best) in our current contact. I agree it's going to be difficult negotiating against Kirby. But with solid union leadership, unified pilot group, industry profits and industry pattern bargaining, I think will fare well.
Rather have a well run very profitable airline with the very best hubs and network in the industry vs a poorly run airline squandering away its customer base and just barely keeping its head above the water.
I'll take Kirby in a NY second over the that ego maniac - grossly incompetent Smisek. We have a good scope clause (industry's best) in our current contact. I agree it's going to be difficult negotiating against Kirby. But with solid union leadership, unified pilot group, industry profits and industry pattern bargaining, I think will fare well.
Rather have a well run very profitable airline with the very best hubs and network in the industry vs a poorly run airline squandering away its customer base and just barely keeping its head above the water.
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