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Kirby's New Message
Wow.
Short version: blunt, direct, says we can't shrink to profitability, or be a "docile competitor." Lots of new mainline flying. Said "We're going on the offense!" I'm astounded by the candor. |
He has been saying all these same things for the past few months. Nothing new today.
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First time I saw it in writing, with a route map.
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Looks great if you're an Air Wis RJ guy.
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While I am disappointed with the decision to ADD more 50 seat RJ flying (I don't fit in the back of those things and I think the smallest plane with "United" painted on the side should be a E-175), I am happy about his enthusiasm. Seems like he is motivated to help run this airline properly.
Customer service still needs a lot of improvement, but it seems like we are heading the right direction. |
Fearless prediction:
Standby for the announcement concerning the further reduction of the E145 fleet. (Actually, I doubt they'll "announce" it to avoid a meltdown at ExpressJet but the end result is there.) |
Originally Posted by PacNWflyer
(Post 2309872)
While I am disappointed with the decision to ADD more 50 seat RJ flying (I don't fit in the back of those things and I think the smallest plane with "United" painted on the side should be a E-175), I am happy about his enthusiasm. Seems like he is motivated to help run this airline properly.
Customer service still needs a lot of improvement, but it seems like we are heading the right direction. It's important to note that we are not growing our fleet of 50-seat aircraft, but as other partners have upgauged some of our 50 seat aircraft to 70- and 76-seat aircraft, our new partnership with ZW will enable us to maintain a consistent level of flying across our domestic network as we also upgauge and grow the mainline. |
So the question is are they replacing oo's 200s or xjt 145s
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Originally Posted by blockplus
(Post 2309885)
So the question is are they replacing oo's 200s or xjt 145s
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Originally Posted by Flubber
(Post 2309915)
Isn't SkyWest retiring a large portion of their -200 fleet, 60-some airplanes on the UA side plus others for DAL and AA, on renegotiated early lease returns?
SkyWest, Inc. Announces Additional Fleet Transitions, Bombardier Agreement and Anticipated 50-Seat Aircraft Non-Cash Impairment Charge ST. GEORGE, Utah, Dec. 13, 2016 /PRNewswire/ -- SkyWest, Inc. SKYW +0.44% ("SkyWest") announced today additional fleet transitions and contract updates designed to reduce SkyWest's long-term fleet risk and enhance its ability to respond to changing partner needs. Specifically, SkyWest's ExpressJet operation expects to transition to flying primarily dual-class aircraft in its CRJ operation by removing its CRJ200 aircraft from service over the next year. |
Originally Posted by Sunvox
(Post 2309999)
Well there is this . . .
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Originally Posted by cadetdrivr
(Post 2309878)
(Actually, I doubt they'll "announce" it to avoid a meltdown at ExpressJet but the end result is there.)
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2309841)
Wow.
Short version: blunt, direct, says we can't shrink to profitability, or be a "docile competitor." Lots of new mainline flying. Said "We're going on the offense!" I'm astounded by the candor. |
Originally Posted by Saabs
(Post 2310140)
He's the number one proponent of loosening scope come contract time. Kirby is not on any united pilots side.
Exactly. His argument is more RJs means more mainline jobs. Just look what he tried to do with 81 seat scope in the US/AA JCBA. |
Our job is to get passengers from Pt A to Pt B safely... Management's job to squeeze every dime out of passengers and employees and drive the stock price up... its what we do. Friendly management is a pipe dream.
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Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer
(Post 2309853)
First time I saw it in writing, with a route map.
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Originally Posted by Tank21
(Post 2310167)
Any new mainline routes and locations?
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Originally Posted by catIIIc
(Post 2310178)
Sfo-Muc,Bdl,Cvg,Dtw,Msy, Ord-Geg,Rno, Ewr-Smf, and seasonal extensions IAd-Fll and Ewr-Slc.
Was really hoping for some in the Gulf Coast area... |
Originally Posted by Tank21
(Post 2310179)
Wow, none out of IAH?
Was really hoping for some in the Gulf Coast area... eta link: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/2309816-post14.html Pretty close to the bottom of the letter. |
Let's go! Scott p.s. I'm sorry for the really long note, but I'm just so excited about the future here at United that I couldn't help myself. |
Originally Posted by fasteddie800
(Post 2310752)
The message itself had a lot of interesting info. However, am I the only one who thought this last bit came off as unprofessional?
https://youtu.be/jW3i6x6DbT0 |
Originally Posted by fasteddie800
(Post 2310752)
The message itself had a lot of interesting info. However, am I the only one who thought this last bit came off as unprofessional?
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Originally Posted by fasteddie800
(Post 2310752)
The message itself had a lot of interesting info. However, am I the only one who thought this last bit came off as unprofessional?
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Originally Posted by fasteddie800
(Post 2310752)
The message itself had a lot of interesting info. However, am I the only one who thought this last bit came off as unprofessional?
must be Air Force |
Bottom line.....
in the last 12 months..... 65- 737-700s were ordered to "replace 50 seat RJ flying" of those orders, 4 were converted to 800s..61 were deferred indefinitely. Now we just signed up for 65- 50 seat RJs |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2311286)
Bottom line.....
in the last 12 months..... 65- 737-700s were ordered to "replace 50 seat RJ flying" of those orders, 4 were converted to 800s..61 were deferred indefinitely. Now we just signed up for 65- 50 seat RJs Until we see actual mainline growth all the talk is talk and Lucy is still holding the football. I'm cautiously optimistic that UAL is actually trying be an airline for the first time in a long time but we've also all seen this movie before. I'll be far more comfortable with the plan when we actually see what's gonna happen (or not) with the mainline fleet plan. |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2311286)
Bottom line.....
in the last 12 months..... 65- 737-700s were ordered to "replace 50 seat RJ flying" of those orders, 4 were converted to 800s..61 were deferred indefinitely. Now we just signed up for 65- 50 seat RJs See page 10 (listed as page 9 on the slide) of this slide deck from a presentation 2/28/17 for 2017 forecast: http://ir.united.com/~/media/Files/U...ation-2017.pdf I don't expect to shrink on the RJ side as much as is listed and I hope that we'll have more mainline aircraft than the presentation indicates. |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2311286)
Bottom line.....
in the last 12 months..... 65- 737-700s were ordered to "replace 50 seat RJ flying" of those orders, 4 were converted to 800s..61 were deferred indefinitely. Now we just signed up for 65- 50 seat RJs They're also going to finally start using them the way we're supposed to... on smaller cities that in no way support mainline flying. Yet. Finally ditching the stupidity of flying RJs and -8's between major hubs. The sky isn't falling, I'm optimistic for the time being. Lot of smaller towns being added to pump passenger traffic into the system. |
Originally Posted by jsled
(Post 2311286)
Bottom line.....
in the last 12 months..... 65- 737-700s were ordered to "replace 50 seat RJ flying" of those orders, 4 were converted to 800s..61 were deferred indefinitely. Now we just signed up for 65- 50 seat RJs |
I hope that's the true reason for the deferment. I wonder what the break even point is on a NG vs MAX though? I remember Dal years ago stating the break even point of a used MD90 (price tag +fuel) vs a new 737 NG (price tag+fuel) was something like 20 years. In other words it would take 20 years in added fuel costs from the MD to equal the bigger price tag of the new guppy. I wonder how many more millions of $ the MAX is than the last of the NG's.
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I honestly have a hard time believing the max will be that much more efficient for the extra $$$. Especially when you take a look at the "new" cockpit. Based on the pics I've seen it's just a prettier shade of lipstick.
Bring on the new 321NEOs! |
Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
(Post 2311752)
I honestly have a hard time believing the max will be that much more efficient for the extra $$$. Especially when you take a look at the "new" cockpit. Based on the pics I've seen it's just a prettier shade of lipstick.
Bring on the new 321NEOs! |
Originally Posted by webecheck
(Post 2311940)
14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
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Originally Posted by webecheck
(Post 2311940)
14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
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Originally Posted by webecheck
(Post 2311940)
14% at cruise. Just toured the max production line in Renton. It's essentially the same thing, just more fuel savings. If you do the math, which isn't too hard to figure out, you can see what kind of cost savings it will generate. I fly the plane, recently suffered a BOS-SFO leg, but it doesn't bother me all that much....although I do plan to bid off by the end of the year. 14% is significant enough to make the purchase I guess. I did the math and can see why.
One more reason to buy NEO's, in addition to being able to eat off a table like a human, having some semblance of hearing remaining into your 50's, and not having the unbearable humiliation of having to fly something called a Guppy for a living. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2311993)
...and not having the unbearable humiliation of having to fly something called a Guppy for a living.
http://globerove.com/wp-content/uplo...te-de-pelo.jpg Or maybe... http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...075305a320.jpg |
With cute little green frog stickers adorning the cockpit.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2311496)
We're not adding any 50 seaters, it's just shifting. It's a net zero to the current fleet plan. Would you rather buy 65 737's we don't currently need and start losing money?
They're also going to finally start using them the way we're supposed to... on smaller cities that in no way support mainline flying. Yet. Finally ditching the stupidity of flying RJs and -8's between major hubs. The sky isn't falling, I'm optimistic for the time being. Lot of smaller towns being added to pump passenger traffic into the system. |
Originally Posted by RJDio
(Post 2311657)
I hope that's the true reason for the deferment. I wonder what the break even point is on a NG vs MAX though? I remember Dal years ago stating the break even point of a used MD90 (price tag +fuel) vs a new 737 NG (price tag+fuel) was something like 20 years. In other words it would take 20 years in added fuel costs from the MD to equal the bigger price tag of the new guppy. I wonder how many more millions of $ the MAX is than the last of the NG's.
-an American pilot |
Originally Posted by Al Czervik
(Post 2312167)
Kirby loves RJ's
-an American pilot I'll take Kirby in a NY second over the that ego maniac - grossly incompetent Smisek. We have a good scope clause (industry's best) in our current contact. I agree it's going to be difficult negotiating against Kirby. But with solid union leadership, unified pilot group, industry profits and industry pattern bargaining, I think will fare well. Rather have a well run very profitable airline with the very best hubs and network in the industry vs a poorly run airline squandering away its customer base and just barely keeping its head above the water. |
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