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awax 03-23-2017 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2327487)

Schedules so late in the month are a very real problem. One that should be addressed along with not honoring seniority and others. I for one am not willing to just sit and accept a sub standard product.

I seem to remember at sUA, in the last contract schedules were due by the 20th. The 17th is a 3-day improvement for some, what do you suggest?

cadetdrivr 03-23-2017 11:17 AM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2327633)
I seem to remember at sUA, in the last contract schedules were due by the 20th. The 17th is a 3-day improvement for some, what do you suggest?

Move the whole thing forward several weeks. The "late" bids at sUA were one of the contract concessions to enable "marketing" more time to play with their schedule.

Guess what? If marketing does not have plan for October by August we've found the problem.

Other airlines have their PBS awards before we even see the bid package. That's the real problem and a faster mainframe to run the PBS optimization is only a bonus and not the actual solution.

fanaticalflyer 03-23-2017 01:00 PM


Originally Posted by awax (Post 2327633)
I seem to remember at sUA, in the last contract schedules were due by the 20th. The 17th is a 3-day improvement for some, what do you suggest?

I used to remember making 1/2 of what we are making now and being to have our reserve days rolled to infinity and blah blah blah. Give me a break. For an FO, it's pitiful that their skeds can come out just 12 days before the start of a work month, where one might need to know what's going on for planning purposes. NO reason this shouldn't come out at least another week or two earlier WITHOUT giving up anything.

El10 03-23-2017 01:49 PM


Originally Posted by fanaticalflyer (Post 2327735)
NO reason this shouldn't come out at least another week or two earlier WITHOUT giving up anything.

Are you suggesting that this has no value to the company, or are you suggesting that the company should just roll over to ALPA's request?

oldmako 03-23-2017 03:28 PM

I think he's suggesting that collectively, we are a bunch of Mr Loopner's.

awax 03-23-2017 05:46 PM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2327643)
Move the whole thing forward several weeks. The "late" bids at sUA were one of the contract concessions to enable "marketing" more time to play with their schedule.

Guess what? If marketing does not have plan for October by August we've found the problem.

Other airlines have their PBS awards before we even see the bid package. That's the real problem and a faster mainframe to run the PBS optimization is only a bonus and not the actual solution.

I'm the furthest thing from being an apologist for PBS. I'm just pointing out that it's three days better than it used to be, and that's a start

PA Slammer 03-24-2017 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by Regularguy (Post 2327467)
OK do you really want to fly with Captain **** or is it worth the sort and verification that your no-fly list actually gets considered.

I know let's do it this way; just allow the computer to make one run and then publish the results. Then let the buyer beware and individual pilot sort through the list of results and see if they got screwed or not.

If so let the results be grieved and sent to the system board for review two months later.

I'd say for most the five day wait has proven to be far less costly than letting the chips fall where they may.

Why can't PBS be programmed to allow a no fly list from the start?

Larry in TN 03-24-2017 07:47 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2328284)
Why can't PBS be programmed to allow a no fly list from the start?

How can it AVOID, or AWARD, trips with a particular Captain if the Captain's haven't been awarded their trips yet?

Also, a percentage of the trips awarded to LCAs are withheld from F/Os per the UPA. Can't withhold those trips until you know which trips will be awarded to the LCAs.

PA Slammer 03-24-2017 07:55 AM

AFTER the Captains get their lines. My point was why can't the software do this.

Larry in TN 03-24-2017 08:46 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2328321)
AFTER the Captains get their lines. My point was why can't the software do this.

I guess I don't understand the question. PBS does do what it seems to me that you are asking.


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