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MasterOfPuppets 03-31-2017 11:51 AM
Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2333603)
Except if they announce the closing of the IAH 787 base before the displacement bid closes, they won't be able to bump to it.
Does that rumor have any traction at all?

UALinIAH 03-31-2017 01:28 PM
Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2333624)
Does that rumor have any traction at all?
Hopefully we'll have a real answer to that on April 6th. That's our IAH Town Hall meeting.

Otters 03-31-2017 02:19 PM
Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 2333184)
When does the payrate activate on your new equipment? When you start school, finish IOE?:confused:
It starts, ah never mind look it up in section 8.

awax 03-31-2017 04:42 PM
Is the snapshot an error, or did the rules change? It looks like the volunteers are using their own seniority number and not a displaced pilots number. Has this changed?

I have to look up the current language, but it seems like in previous displacements volunteers use the displaced pilots number to get into the equipment and then their own number for bidding within that BES.

The snapshot looks like the company is using a mix base closure rules, and reduction in force displacement rules.

UALinIAH 03-31-2017 04:50 PM
Originally Posted by awax (Post 2333823)
Is the snapshot an error, or did the rules change? It looks like the volunteers are using their own seniority number and not a displaced pilots number. Has this changed?

I have to look up the current language, but it seems like in previous displacements volunteers use the displaced pilots number to get into the equipment and then their own number for bidding within that BES.

The snapshot looks like the company is using a mix base closure rules, and reduction in force displacement rules.
When it's a fleet closing you use your own.

Probe 03-31-2017 06:02 PM
Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2333828)
When it's a fleet closing you use your own.
Interesting. I didn't know that. I thought it was in error as well.

awax 03-31-2017 06:48 PM
Originally Posted by UALinIAH (Post 2333828)
When it's a fleet closing you use your own.
You're right, the language is subtle though. The company cited displacements under 8-E in the Displacement Bulletin 17-08D.

The nuance is the the first paragraph stating the intent to phase out an equipment type. Even though this displacement doesn't close the category, it appears that 8-E-7-b applies.

8-E-7-b When the Company desires to completely phase-out a Category (i.e., the Equipment type is no longer flying in that Base), the provisions of Section 8-E shall apply except that a volunteer for displacement under Section 8-E-7-a may exercise his displacement rights using his seniority.
8-H addresses displacement procedures for closing a base, that's where my questions came from. I think this is new language in the 2012 UPA. Good to know.

No Nonsense 03-31-2017 08:33 PM
2-F Base means a geographical location designated by the Company where pilots are based.

2-K Category is a Base, Equipment, and Status combination (e.g. ORD 756 F/O) to which a
Pilot is assigned.

Lurchi 04-01-2017 09:04 PM
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "bump" and how will it impact a new hire...if at all?

awax 04-01-2017 11:06 PM
Originally Posted by Lurchi (Post 2334634)
Forgive my ignorance, but what is a "bump" and how will it impact a new hire...if at all?
Take a look at section 8-E of the CBA.


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