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pilotgolfer 04-18-2017 08:22 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2345627)
my guess is that this round will go junior for FOs... same thing happened a couple years ago in IAD when the 777 seats opened up... first couple bids went junior and then started going senior. My question is what will happen to the IAD 777 base? Will the new 787 routes to PEK and LHR take away more trips from the 777 base or are they additional? I'm wondering if we will see a 777 displacement in the late Fall dependent on how many FOs bid off the IAD 777 BES this Summer and Fall...

PEK is definitely out for the 777. The one daily trip will be flown by 787. I'm just speculating but I think the 777 will keep NRT because they need the cattle car 777 to do the Guam trip. I suppose Guam could be done by the EWR guys...but I hope we keep it.

I could see DCA having both 777 and 787 at roughly similar size manpower-wise.

LeeFXDWG 04-18-2017 08:35 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2345627)
my guess is that this round will go junior for FOs... same thing happened a couple years ago in IAD when the 777 seats opened up... first couple bids went junior and then started going senior. My question is what will happen to the IAD 777 base? Will the new 787 routes to PEK and LHR take away more trips from the 777 base or are they additional? I'm wondering if we will see a 777 displacement in the late Fall dependent on how many FOs bid off the IAD 777 BES this Summer and Fall...

Bid what you want and.......

Lee

ugleeual 04-18-2017 08:48 AM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2345637)
PEK is definitely out for the 777. The one daily trip will be flown by 787. I'm just speculating but I think the 777 will keep NRT because they need the cattle car 777 to do the Guam trip. I suppose Guam could be done by the EWR guys...but I hope we keep it.

I could see DCA having both 777 and 787 at roughly similar size manpower-wise.

I'm staying put for the time being and let this flush through the system... hopefully we get new city pairs added but I'm not holding my breath.

pilotgolfer 04-18-2017 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2345660)
I'm staying put for the time being and let this flush through the system... hopefully we get new city pairs added but I'm not holding my breath.

I think that will be the case for most 777 guys. They don't like uncertainty so until they say what the fleet plans are...I suspect 787 will go very junior. I'm a bottom dweller so I've got nothing to lose. I'd much rather train in July when the kids schedules are a lot less hectic and I can ship them off to the beach at grandma's house.

MasterOfPuppets 04-18-2017 09:33 AM

It'll be interesting to watch. There is a lot of SFO 787 pilots that commute across the country. Iv flown with a half dozen FOs from FL a few from BOS a few from the Carolinas. Also I don't know what commute is easier but there are a lot of Houston guys in SFO.

It may not go that junior since it's the first East Coast base. But then again what's junior 8000? 9000.......:)

ugleeual 04-18-2017 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2345671)
I think that will be the case for most 777 guys. They don't like uncertainty so until they say what the fleet plans are...I suspect 787 will go very junior. I'm a bottom dweller so I've got nothing to lose. I'd much rather train in July when the kids schedules are a lot less hectic and I can ship them off to the beach at grandma's house.

July training... wow that will be quick... guess with us being overmanned they will let guys/gals go to training early... I understand training is very short (2 weeks)... and then IOE is a 3 day... or something near that. Its definitely a sweet plane... I'd like to fly it someday.

pilotgolfer 04-18-2017 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2345850)
July training... wow that will be quick... guess with us being overmanned they will let guys/gals go to training early... I understand training is very short (2 weeks)... and then IOE is a 3 day... or something near that. Its definitely a sweet plane... I'd like to fly it someday.

It might be a novel way to get time off in August and September. No planes, no flying. The dopes will just keep deadheading in the Houston crews to do LHR and CDG.

ugleeual 04-18-2017 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by pilotgolfer (Post 2345857)
It might be a novel way to get time off in August and September. No planes, no flying. The dopes will just keep deadheading in the Houston crews to do LHR and CDG.

right... they can't build lines until the October bid month... and if you sit reserve out of IAD it will be pretty difficult for them to utilize you. Sounds like a good plan.

No Nonsense 04-18-2017 06:53 PM

Nope! Flying already existences in Base. As soon as pilots activate they can build lines!

8-F Activation Of Assignment
8-F-1 A Pilot’s date of “activation” shall be the date he begins in a new Category and is set by:
8-F-1-a the beginning of the first segment of his OE in that Category;
or 8-F-1-b the beginning of the first segment of his first trip after training for that Category, if OE is not required;
or
8-F-1-c the first day on which he begins a schedule in that new Category, when no training is required.

pilotgolfer 04-18-2017 07:34 PM


Originally Posted by No Nonsense (Post 2346160)
Nope! Flying already existences in Base. As soon as pilots activate they can build lines!

8-F Activation Of Assignment
8-F-1 A Pilot’s date of “activation” shall be the date he begins in a new Category and is set by:
8-F-1-a the beginning of the first segment of his OE in that Category;
or 8-F-1-b the beginning of the first segment of his first trip after training for that Category, if OE is not required;
or
8-F-1-c the first day on which he begins a schedule in that new Category, when no training is required.

Okay...Kinder or Kinder-wannabe. So the effective date of the bid is OCT 1st. Let's say a 777 guy trains in July and they can do IOE out of Dulles on the CDG or LHR trips. Are you saying that in August, the known flying in IAD will no longer be in the IAH bid packages? They will just put it all in open time in Dulles...two months before the base is opened? Just because guys are activated in the fleet does not mean they will start moving the IAH trips into PBS for the IAD guys??

You act like you are very confident in your knowledge...but without knowing who you are, I'm gonna assume you're wrong.


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