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Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2383043)
Boeing has let their marketing people do deception before.
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
(Post 2382829)
the 787-8 is exactly the same size as the 767-300ER. It just flies to dang far. For that reason it carries to much extra weight. Put in a smaller center tank and up the max ZFW. This should add more cargo room.
The mission we need is sub 12hrs. 150,000ish pounds of fuel should suffice. It was cancelled for lack of orders. |
Originally Posted by azdryheat
(Post 2383386)
You mean like this: https://leehamnews.com/2015/02/25/78...ement-for-757/
It was cancelled for lack of orders. |
Originally Posted by Probe
(Post 2383042)
As far as single or double isle, double isle isn't any good until you get to 9 across. The 767 was 7 across. For 1 extra seat per row, you also got an isle. The 767 was 50% heavier than a 757, for 16% more seats. That was not a good tradeoff. There will never be another double isle aircraft with 7 across seating in coach.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the future minimum twin aisle configuration be 10 across (3x4x3). |
Originally Posted by CLazarus
(Post 2382789)
Everything I've seen in Aviation Week and elsewhere says twin-aisle. The fuselage weight penalty for an extra aisle is not that much, and considering that the fuselage is widely reported to be elliptical I'd say the penalty is almost nil
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Originally Posted by N6279P
(Post 2383830)
Are you kidding? The weight and added drag of a larger fuselage for a second aisle is why you don't see any passenger 767-200 aircraft around anymore. It had the highest CASM for that reason alone.
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Originally Posted by svergin
(Post 2383832)
The two aisles is designed to have an airplane with over 200 seats that doesn't take 45+ minutes to board and deboard. You'd need over 90 minutes to switch crews with a single-aisle 200+ seat plane. Certainly getting the plane to turn an hour is not going to happen unless they are 2 aisles with 230 seats.
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Originally Posted by N6279P
(Post 2383830)
Are you kidding? The weight and added drag of a larger fuselage for a second aisle is why you don't see any passenger 767-200 aircraft around anymore. It had the highest CASM for that reason alone.
Like I said before, an aircraft able to carry 250ish people that can fit comfortably into existing narrowbody gates and be turned faster than an 8 Max. It is the only compelling design I can think of that we'd want to be a launch customer for. It might not look all that different than what is already out there, and Boeing certainly made it seem that way this week in Paris. However, I duly note the possibility that Boeing's marketing department might be dispensing bundles of chaff. |
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Originally Posted by CLazarus
(Post 2383958)
Nope. I didn't say seven across, I assume at least 2+4+2 or greater (never more than one seat away from an aisle, that would be nice). If you take a gander at some of the advanced military airlifter concepts out there, lifting bodies are coming. I'm sure a 797 won't be a pure lifting body, but it will benefit from the subsidies... er, research.
Like I said before, an aircraft able to carry 250ish people that can fit comfortably into existing narrowbody gates and be turned faster than an 8 Max. It is the only compelling design I can think of that we'd want to be a launch customer for. It might not look all that different than what is already out there, and Boeing certainly made it seem that way this week in Paris. However, I duly note the possibility that Boeing's marketing department might be dispensing bundles of chaff. |
I like the looks (and livery) of this one better:
https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5220/5...be48de70_b.jpg [but we all know it will end up as a boring mini-787 tube with wings] |
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