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Old 06-21-2017, 05:37 AM
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Wonder when United will place an order for the new Boeing 797...?

http://money.cnn.com/2017/06/20/news/companies/boeing-797-paris-first-peek/index.html

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2017/06/20/Boeing-unveils-Boeing-797-at-Paris-Air-Show/5951497973560/
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UAL's order placed this week in Paris can be upgraded.
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I agree. Maybe the MAX 10 order is just a place holder?
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The manufacturer hopes airlines will begin flying the new model around 2025.
Given the propensity for Boeing and Airbus to miss timelines, I would be hard pressed to believe that we can stretch the 767-300 another 8-10 years while the industry waits for the 797. Methinks A321NEO LR is far more likely as a candidate to replace the 756 fleet. In fact I really think it's the ONLY candidate. Don't get me wrong . . . I'd love to fly a 797 as I'm sure it would be a spectacular plane, but I just think Boeing is way too late in joining the party on this one.
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I agree. Maybe the MAX 10 order is just a place holder?
I wondered the same thing, with yesterday's announcement.

My speculation/conjecture:

(I wish I had posted this yesterday, when I envisioned it) :

I think it will look a lot like a 787. Similar cockpit externally...and internally. Basically, a single-aisle 787.

Gear: methinks it will have long gear like a 757. But, unlike the 757, no four-wheel truck. Too much dead weight. Possibly a two-wheel unit like the Bus or Guppy...or, possibly a three-wheel unit?

Two jumpseats and ability for a rest bunk.

Kicker: I'd bet money it will be a common type-rating with the 787 as a marketing and operating ploy.....and why not? It would make sense for airlines, its been done before, and might be the key to more sales..not only of the 797, but 787.

And I predict it will be the first airplane SWA buys that breaks the 737-only paradigm; ie, they will slowly switch to an all-797 fleet.

And 25 years from now, we will complain about how Boeing is making the 797-1200ER for SWA....

And I would not be surprised if the 737Max10s were converted to 797 orders. Meanwhile, this could be used as leverage on Airbus to get cheap 321NEOs "...or else we'll need to buy more 737s..."
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I wondered the same thing, with yesterday's announcement.

My speculation/conjecture:

(I wish I had posted this yesterday, when I envisioned it) :

I think it will look a lot like a 787. Similar cockpit externally...and internally. Basically, a single-aisle 787.

Gear: methinks it will have long gear like a 757. But, unlike the 757, no four-wheel truck. Too much dead weight. Possibly a two-wheel unit like the Bus or Guppy...or, possibly a three-wheel unit?

Two jumpseats and ability for a rest bunk.

Kicker: I'd bet money it will be a common type-rating with the 787 as a marketing and operating ploy.....and why not? It would make sense for airlines, its been done before, and might be the key to more sales..not only of the 797, but 787.

And I predict it will be the first airplane SWA buys that breaks the 737-only paradigm; ie, they will slowly switch to an all-797 fleet.

And 25 years from now, we will complain about how Boeing is making the 797-1200ER for SWA....

And I would not be surprised if the 737Max10s were converted to 797 orders. Meanwhile, this could be used as leverage on Airbus to get cheap 321NEOs "...or else we'll need to buy more 737s..."
My vision of the 797 is quite different from yours. I envision is a twin aisle jet to decrease turn times. This will allow the airplane better utilization and be more customer friendly. I also think that it should definitely have four wheels on each truck, for braking at the very minimum. Makes it a better short field airplane (i.e. the 757).
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My vision of the 797 is quite different from yours. I envision is a twin aisle jet to decrease turn times. This will allow the airplane better utilization and be more customer friendly. I also think that it should definitely have four wheels on each truck, for braking at the very minimum. Makes it a better short field airplane (i.e. the 757).
Twin aisle narrow body would be sweet but that's a lot of space that no one is really paying for.

2.2.2 seating would be neat in the Y cabin but the airplane would have to be wide enough to accommodate the extra aisle and that means weight increases without the corollary increase in revenue to offset. I suspect we will see what looks like a 757 cabin, with the 787 cockpit and tech advances.
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Twin aisle narrow body would be sweet but that's a lot of space that no one is really paying for.

2.2.2 seating would be neat in the Y cabin but the airplane would have to be wide enough to accommodate the extra aisle and that means weight increases without the corollary increase in revenue to offset. I suspect we will see what looks like a 757 cabin, with the 787 cockpit and tech advances.
The 797 is going to need to be a 767 sized and ranged aircraft. Were going to need room for Polaris and 215ish pax. I think if Boeing does NOT make a dual isle it will be a major flaw with the aircraft.
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