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Fleet plan
Originally Posted by Barley
(Post 2390848)
It's my understanding Frontier only has six gates in Denver now. They spread their network out over multiple domiciles and satellite hubs a couple years ago. Buying them wouldn't mean a Denver monopoly.
And even if it did, if swa has 33% cap in Denver. That ain't that bad. I wonder what the spread is in DTW, MSP, SLC, and ATL for DAL. How is the capacity spread in CLT, & DFW for AMR? Just frustrated Grrrr On the other hand... Organic growth would be soooo much better. New routes. Fresh faces. Moving on up. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 2390558)
The Northwest-Republic merger would be a good read before any salivating starts.
Originally Posted by stis202
(Post 2390550)
I know the LCC guys are salivating at the idea of coming in as a senior WB Capt. I think the #1 JB pilot is what a 2000 hire? I don't think an LCC or ULCC SLI isn't something we really want right now. Curious to see how the VA/AK SLI shakes out.
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Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2390931)
Yup! Blue book/green book and 20 year fences. Anyone who thinks they got screwed should in UAL/CAL merger, should try venting to one of those guys.
Study up in the above merger, the only windfall they'd be allowed is our pay rates and work rules. No way a LCC merger goes through without substantial fences. Just being picky. It was "red book" nwa and "green book" republic. Blue book are post merger hires. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by svergin
(Post 2390567)
If we ever see it. They need a contract 1st and its going to take a LONG time for Alaska management to agree to a contract. They'll fly the groups separate and play them off each other like they do Horizon/Alaska pilots.
Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 2390406)
I was under the impression a stable job between two ALPA carriers isn't possible.
It just has to be fair and equitable. Theoretically, stapling can be fair and equitable to an arbitration panel. |
Originally Posted by Grumble
(Post 2390931)
Yup! Blue book/green book and 20 year fences. Anyone who thinks they got screwed should in UAL/CAL merger, should try venting to one of those guys.
Study up in the above merger, the only windfall they'd be allowed is our pay rates and work rules. No way a LCC merger goes through without substantial fences. The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game. |
Originally Posted by stis202
(Post 2391027)
The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game.
The red book was suing until the bitter end that the a330 was a dc10 replacement. So you have that to possibly look fwd to. I think we should face the fact that the nwa republic merger might have been put together even more poorly than the UAL CAL merger integration. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by stis202
(Post 2391027)
The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game.
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Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 2391061)
Exactly why my proposal of fences until our youngest pilot retires has to be a must in the event we ever got tied up with a ULCC.
Doubt such things would happen as well as United buying jetblue. From our side nobody I have talked with thinks they are just going to roll over to widebody skipper. I think JetBlue pilots are far more realistic. |
Originally Posted by pilotpayne
(Post 2391094)
So like a 40 year fence?
Doubt such things would happen as well as United buying jetblue. From our side nobody I have talked with thinks they are just going to roll over to widebody skipper. I think JetBlue pilots are far more realistic. Those guys you speak of that wouldn't expect a widebody captain position are being realistic. However they sure as hell would love to beat me and thousands of other FO's on the legacy side of the list to that seat a few years down the road. So fences until our youngest retires or a staple should be the baseline opener for any ULCC being purchased by a Legacy. |
Originally Posted by SUX4U
(Post 2391201)
It's only a matter of time before one of the big 3 rolls the dice with the purchasing of a ULCC.
Those guys you speak of that wouldn't expect a widebody captain position are being realistic. However they sure as hell would love to beat me and thousands of other FO's on the legacy side of the list to that seat a few years down the road. So fences until our youngest retires or a staple should be the baseline opener for any ULCC being purchased by a Legacy. |
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