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cal73 07-07-2017 09:27 AM

Fleet plan
 

Originally Posted by Barley (Post 2390848)
It's my understanding Frontier only has six gates in Denver now. They spread their network out over multiple domiciles and satellite hubs a couple years ago. Buying them wouldn't mean a Denver monopoly.


And even if it did, if swa has 33% cap in Denver. That ain't that bad. I wonder what the spread is in DTW, MSP, SLC, and ATL for DAL.
How is the capacity spread in CLT, & DFW for AMR?
Just frustrated
Grrrr

On the other hand...
Organic growth would be soooo much better. New routes. Fresh faces. Moving on up.



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Grumble 07-07-2017 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2390558)
The Northwest-Republic merger would be a good read before any salivating starts.

Yup! Blue book/green book and 20 year fences. Anyone who thinks they got screwed should in UAL/CAL merger, should try venting to one of those guys.


Originally Posted by stis202 (Post 2390550)
I know the LCC guys are salivating at the idea of coming in as a senior WB Capt. I think the #1 JB pilot is what a 2000 hire? I don't think an LCC or ULCC SLI isn't something we really want right now. Curious to see how the VA/AK SLI shakes out.

Study up in the above merger, the only windfall they'd be allowed is our pay rates and work rules. No way a LCC merger goes through without substantial fences.

cal73 07-07-2017 10:32 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2390931)
Yup! Blue book/green book and 20 year fences. Anyone who thinks they got screwed should in UAL/CAL merger, should try venting to one of those guys.



Study up in the above merger, the only windfall they'd be allowed is our pay rates and work rules. No way a LCC merger goes through without substantial fences.



Just being picky.
It was "red book" nwa and "green book" republic. Blue book are post merger hires.



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Nevjets 07-07-2017 12:08 PM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2390567)
If we ever see it. They need a contract 1st and its going to take a LONG time for Alaska management to agree to a contract. They'll fly the groups separate and play them off each other like they do Horizon/Alaska pilots.

Isn't going into arbitration. It sounds like there is a definite timeline to conclude the joint contract. Probably by early next year.



Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2390406)
I was under the impression a stable job between two ALPA carriers isn't possible.


It just has to be fair and equitable. Theoretically, stapling can be fair and equitable to an arbitration panel.

stis202 07-07-2017 12:42 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2390931)
Yup! Blue book/green book and 20 year fences. Anyone who thinks they got screwed should in UAL/CAL merger, should try venting to one of those guys.



Study up in the above merger, the only windfall they'd be allowed is our pay rates and work rules. No way a LCC merger goes through without substantial fences.



The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game.

cal73 07-07-2017 01:15 PM


Originally Posted by stis202 (Post 2391027)
The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game.



The red book was suing until the bitter end that the a330 was a dc10 replacement. So you have that to possibly look fwd to.

I think we should face the fact that the nwa republic merger might have been put together even more poorly than the UAL CAL merger integration.


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SUX4U 07-07-2017 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by stis202 (Post 2391027)
The takeaway I got was that once those fences came down 20 years later Republic guys jumped to the top. If that happened here my single digit retirement seniority would take a substantial hit. I could see it passing with a yes vote by the majority of people who don't have 20 years left in the game.

Exactly why my proposal of fences until our youngest pilot retires has to be a must in the event we ever got tied up with a ULCC.

pilotpayne 07-07-2017 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2391061)
Exactly why my proposal of fences until our youngest pilot retires has to be a must in the event we ever got tied up with a ULCC.

So like a 40 year fence?
Doubt such things would happen as well as United buying jetblue.
From our side nobody I have talked with thinks they are just going to roll over to widebody skipper. I think JetBlue pilots are far more realistic.

SUX4U 07-07-2017 06:27 PM


Originally Posted by pilotpayne (Post 2391094)
So like a 40 year fence?
Doubt such things would happen as well as United buying jetblue.
From our side nobody I have talked with thinks they are just going to roll over to widebody skipper. I think JetBlue pilots are far more realistic.

It's only a matter of time before one of the big 3 rolls the dice with the purchasing of a ULCC.

Those guys you speak of that wouldn't expect a widebody captain position are being realistic. However they sure as hell would love to beat me and thousands of other FO's on the legacy side of the list to that seat a few years down the road. So fences until our youngest retires or a staple should be the baseline opener for any ULCC being purchased by a Legacy.

pilotpayne 07-07-2017 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2391201)
It's only a matter of time before one of the big 3 rolls the dice with the purchasing of a ULCC.

Those guys you speak of that wouldn't expect a widebody captain position are being realistic. However they sure as hell would love to beat me and thousands of other FO's on the legacy side of the list to that seat a few years down the road. So fences until our youngest retires or a staple should be the baseline opener for any ULCC being purchased by a Legacy.

Sure that could be the opener and I would expect nothing less. United pilots should look out for united pilots. But with us both being Alpa, I am sure there would be some type of fence but I don't think it would be 40 years. at some point you would need to be realistic just like you would want us to be. But it's all theory and I really doubt it happens.


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