Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2392067)

Closer, but still not it. Go back and look at the % of longevity awarded over the last 3-4 big mergers. They didn't average anywhere near 50%.

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2392119)

Ummm....that's a pretty meaningless average considering that ALPA merger policy significantly changed over the course of those mergers.

For example, the UAL/CAL merger which was the first significant merger under the current policy which is important considering the major revision to the current policy was to specifically include longevity.

Each merger is arbitrated on it's own merits and considering the three primary components of the current policy I'd suggest that a UAL/JB combination would be quite asymmetric on all three counts and certainly far more than UAL/CAL. YMMV.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2392164)

If this is how most UA guys feel, there would be a lot of ****ed off pilots after the SLI came out.

Originally Posted by BunkerF16 (Post 2392164)

Hell, why not just staple them all...they're lucky to even have a job with you guys, right?

Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2392183)

Unfortunately that would be a given regardless of outcome. We are talking about two VERY different airlines in virtually every aspect.


Nope, just the terrible two hundred. ;)

Everybody needs to take the emotion out of it. Not easy, I know, and that's why there are arbitrators. There are three key factors in the current ALPA merger policy that must considered. Rationally look at those for insight, not a wag of how other mergers went down.

But ---and here's the elephant in the room--- if something happens before JB gets a collective bargaining agreement with solid successorship language all bets are off. JB pilots simply have no foundation to base their claims, including continued employment after a transaction of any sort.

It could make SWA/AirTran look like a walk in the park----and that was two narrowbody airlines. AirTran had weak language (relatively speaking) which partially enabled SWA to pull its stunt with a management and union on the same page exploiting every loophole. Now consider an entity with status-quo language that actually makes things worse for its pilots.

That's something that JB pilots can control, not UA.

Originally Posted by NK Bumble Bee (Post 2390248)

This would make Spirit a deal (plus wishful thinking on my part). Market share is only 3.5 billion, almost no debt, and 900 million in free cash in the bank. Merger would only cost a little over 2.5 billion, plus we can send our "hard working" management off into the golden parachute land...

Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2392195)

This thread talks about a fleet plan as much as the company does... [emoji16]

Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2392195)

This thread talks about a fleet plan as much as the company does... [emoji16]