IAH787 grandfather rights
 

No CBA on my phone, Can someone post the language regarding equipment closures and grandfather rights in the case of IAH787, if any?

Open new equipment bid, or recall for displaced IAH787 pilots?

8-C-6 When a vacancy or vacancies occur in a Category from which a Pilot(s) has been displaced under the provisions of Section 8-E, the displaced Pilot(s) shall, for a period of 120 days beyond the effective date of his displacement, be offered in order of seniority the vacancy prior to awarding that position under the provisions of Section 8-C-5. This 120 day period is measured from the effective date of the displacement to the date on which the vacancy bulletin is published.

Thanks for posting that - so the effective date for future IAH flying for the purpose of recall has to be October 30, 2017 + 120 days. Or, February 27, 2018.

The way I read it, and I'm assuming this legacy language is from the UAL contract, then 100% of the IAH 787 CA/FOs will all get to come back ahead of any other pilots on any vacancy bid posted before that date.

LCAL didn't have language in our contract like this as I recall.

Each displacement had a different effective date. The first round of displacements was 1701 if I remember correctly. You have to add 120 days to each displacement. If someone took a voluntary bump early on, their rights may expire before the vacancy opens.

True, but you have to figure that when somebody takes a voluntary bump, it is because they really wanted the bid, and the paid move.

Joe

I think the earliest displacement was 1709D with an effective date of 8/29/17 which if I'm reading the language above correctly puts the grandfather rights out in December sometime.

Which means 100% of them will be able to come back if they want, since this route starts in January, the vacancy bids are going to have to be in advance of that for sure.

Scabfather rights....At least some that bumped to will leave the west coast :)

As it should be. For the company to not offer those IAH 787 crews who were bumped first right of refusal would be unacceptable. Even beyond 120 days IMHO.

I remember someone saying that 100% of the ORD 747 grandfathered pilots didn't come back, and they filled vacancies outside the protected slots. I don't know if someone can verify that or not. Its likely that a lot of the IAH 787 already are planning a move to the west coast, etc so maybe it doesn't end up being a big deal.

I know a few people though, that left IAH 787 FO to go fly the 747 (just for bragging rights) and said they would come back when they shut down the fleet, but now they can't, because the BES was closed for them to displace to it, even though they flew it previously, because of the way it was closed and opened again.

The Union email today regarding likely scheduling probabilities (out this morning) is interesting and makes for unusual speculation as to who might bid.....

So with basically only IAH-SYD pairings available, there are some interesting problems that can occur if you have vacation, absences, carry-in you could essentially get forced into a line with carry-over in the next month. The problem would be that PBS is then going to force you into specific trips that keep you carrying in to the next month, so a pilot could get stuck in a loop of essentially not really having any bidding choices, other than what PBS wants you to have, since the line credit range is going to drive how many days you fly.

At first I thought the SSC announcement was BS but then I started looking at it and realized that anyone not in the top few could basically get hosed each month.

Also since its a small BES, the splat is going to be HUGE, as it has to make legal lines for everyone above the G-line.

I can see lots of people complaining about their monthly schedules and I can see why the company didn't want a base for a single trip like this.

Today's CRU goes into detail about the 787 lines in IAH (mentions a 2 day domestic also in addition to SYD) and gives details about the lines for 757 DEN (15 hr 3 day Hawaii)

ALPA sent out an explanation today on the 787 vacancy bid and GF rights (who's eligible)... based on what they spelled out better really think about what your getting yourself into before using the GF rights...

Only option to get out of a cycle is to bid reserve the month before you need a day or string of days. Or just bid reserve and vdo / pick up short calls $$$

I read the email and thought that reserve would go very senior. Pilots on reserve would never fly.

With only 2CAs and 2FOs needed on reserve every night it's going to be hard to make money picking up SCs too. Since there is only 1 trip and they are planing 7-11 RSV/month VDOs will be hard to come by as well as SRM......overall sounds like a low paying bid unless you are top 5%.

I'll be looking for you to lead the charge for extended recall rights should the company ever want to re-open HNL, SEA, MIA, ANC and any other domicile that's been closed over 120 days.

Exactly right. Historically, many of us have been adversely affected by the expiration of the grandfather clause. Suck it up, buttercups, you can't change the game rules after play has started. I don't have a dog in this fight, btw, other than the desire to see our CBA administered correctly.

You are so 60's....
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iol0B-clFFM

So, anyone think we need to improve PBS priorities now? PBS can abrogate seniority any time it needs. This will be problematic at best. Good luck to you all.

This is not news. Yet, the ALPA reps that brought it to us so many years ago defended it as if it were their offspring, while claiming the importance of seniority. Those of us that were not biased could see through it , but hey the other ALPA carriers had it so we should too!

Reminds me of something my mother used to say about jumping off bridges.

I have to offer a slight difference of opinion.

Lines were not so great.

You had lines with weekends off. You had lines with transcons. You had lines that were mostly commutable. You had high time lines. You had low time lines. No matter what, even if you were the number one pilot in base the line you picked inevitably had compromises.

Is PBS perfect. Not by a mile.

Is PBS maybe just sorta a slight improvement over lines . . . I think it is.

I'm inclined to agree with you. Generally, people can get "some" of the pairing characteristics that they want with PBS. I get more of what I want with PBS, factoring in relative seniority. It's not a perfect system, but I like it better than the old line bidding. If they could add some Boolean logic to the avoid/award parameters (if/then/else), I think it would be better.