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Grumble 10-28-2017 10:11 PM


Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2456488)
Factually inaccurate. The 756 pays more than the 737. Only the 737-8/9 pays the same as the 752. Also, the assumption is that 3 day trips on the 756 are all only 15 hours and 4 day trips on the guppy are all 21-24 hrs. Actually, 756 trips average more pay per day than the gupster does AND the plane pays more.

The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.

Pretty sure he's only speaking to the SFO 756 flying, which looks like it SUUUUCKS. All 757, so only a few dollars more... and mainly transcons between EWR, SFO, LAX and BOS. For the same amount of money you can go to the guppy and have loads more variety. SFO only comes out ahead on soft time from blended rate. I'm actually amazed how senior the top 25% actually is.

DashTrash 10-29-2017 04:29 AM

SFO 756 flying is very boring and we do zero international flying. However, EWR 756 might be (arguably) the best category in the airline. EWR 756 does almost everything. They do Europe, South America, Hawaii, and domestic flying. No Asia, but that's not a surprise. If you choose the 756 in ground school, you can't move for a while and you'll be junior for a long time. The only place that you can go for two years, is to a wide body. Wide body bids are going around the 6000-8000 seniority. We now have approximately 12,700 pilots.

PA Slammer 10-29-2017 05:11 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2456505)
He's attempting to argue the efficiency, for a commuter I suppose, is worse on the 756. In some respects he's right because there are far more 2 and 3 day trips on the 757. The junior lines on the 737 do in fact create a more commutable schedule with far more 4 day trips being available. And since a 73 pays the same as the 752, you're not making any more money with that transcon out of lax or sfo. It is possible to get 5 day domestics which the 73 doesn't have, but there aren't enough of those for a commuter to think he can bid just 5 days and be set.

For a commuter, I would rather have 2 back to back 3 day trips. That would be a lot more efficient in time spent commuting and hotel cost.

Probe 10-29-2017 09:05 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2456596)
SFO 756 flying is very boring and we do zero international flying. However, EWR 756 might be (arguably) the best category in the airline. EWR 756 does almost everything. They do Europe, South America, Hawaii, and domestic flying. No Asia, but that's not a surprise. If you choose the 756 in ground school, you can't move for a while and you'll be junior for a long time. The only place that you can go for two years, is to a wide body. Wide body bids are going around the 6000-8000 seniority. We now have approximately 12,700 pilots.

Boring? I love boring as an airline pilot. I thank my flying partners for a boring trip. It is a compliment that they we didn't screw anything up.

One of my favorite pilots I flew with 15 years ago only did 2 day transcons from JFK to LAX. 18 hour layover. His overnight bag was not much more than a purse. He had a uniform shirt and pants, and layover shirt and pants (not the same LOL) at the laundry 100 yards from the layover hotel in Redondo. He would pick them up, use the layover cloths, and drop his layover cloths and dirty uniform the next morning.

I have done Europe, S America, and Asia. It was fun, for about 3-4 years. Now i want to do high time, mind-blowingly boring, 1 day turns, or 2 day transcons. And then go home and live my life.

I love boring as an airline pilot.

XHooker 10-29-2017 09:13 AM


Originally Posted by DashTrash (Post 2456596)
However, EWR 756 might be (arguably) the best category in the airline. EWR 756 does almost everything. They do Europe, South America, Hawaii, and domestic flying.

I hated the Europe flying out of EWR. Relatively unproductive trips meant more days at work and the short legs combined with significant time zone changes made sleep a hit and miss affair. My understanding is So. America requires Stone Age, and Hawaii Jurassic, seniority. I'd rather do transcons than most Europe out of EWR. The caveat is if you can hold the longer, more productive Europe destinations, the picture changes dramatically. Ironically, many, if not most, find the double augmented flying on the 777 easier. I know I did. To each their own.

webecheck 10-29-2017 09:27 AM


Originally Posted by PA Slammer (Post 2456614)
For a commuter, I would rather have 2 back to back 3 day trips. That would be a lot more efficient in time spent commuting and hotel cost.

Would be nice if we could get 6 day trips. Don't see why they couldn't build those on the 75 for 6 transcons worth 35hrs. 2 of those for a 70hr month would be perfect for a commuter if you ask me.

89Pistons 10-29-2017 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by webecheck (Post 2456771)
Don't see why they couldn't build those on the 75 for 6 transcons worth 35hrs. 2 of those for a 70hr month would be perfect for a commuter if you ask me.

Would be nice but they'd never do it since they can't move days off as easily for reserves on a basic fleet. They would have to carry multiple 6 day reserves every day. Manpower positive for us but they'd never do it.

webecheck 10-29-2017 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by 89Pistons (Post 2456797)
Would be nice but they'd never do it since they can't move days off as easily for reserves on a basic fleet. They would have to carry multiple 6 day reserves every day. Manpower positive for us but they'd never do it.

I don't see why that would matter. They break up 2 and 3 day trips all the time. Sfo and lax would be perfect for it since all the trips just ping pong hubs. Guessing they would rarely pop up in open time too, like the slim pickens 5 days.

Maybe someone with scheduling committee experience can chime in.

Sunvox 10-29-2017 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by svergin (Post 2456488)
Factually inaccurate. The 756 pays more than the 737. Only the 737-8/9 pays the same as the 752. Also, the assumption is that 3 day trips on the 756 are all only 15 hours and 4 day trips on the guppy are all 21-24 hrs. Actually, 756 trips average more pay per day than the gupster does AND the plane pays more.

The ONLY advantage of the guppy is better seniority movement because 1) It pays less than 756 and 2) Lots of up and down flying instead of longer flights and shorter duty days on the 756 fleet.


I started this argument, and my point was that pay bands have changed and junior 756 pilots flying a line of domestic 757-200 stuff earn the same as 737 pilots so if you are a junior 737 pilot you have zero incentive to bid 756 and THAT is creating a MAJOR shift in new hire seats. Once upon a time, 756 flying was considered a step too big for most new hires, but now it appears that 756 positions for new hires will be frequent.

For the record 756, on average, does not have more credit than the 737 per day.

Sunvox 10-29-2017 02:41 PM

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