LTD Price Drop
01-19-2018 | 09:26 PM
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Sweethart deal? In 1998 CAL negotiated a contract with LTD at $7500 per month cap tax free benefit. In that contract widebody 12 yr. CA rate was approximately $190. 737 12 yr CA was approximately $165.
CAL was negotiating a contract for 2 years prior to the merger and a contractual objective was to increase the LTD cap and obtain B plan company contributions for those on LTD. The merger happened and the CAL section six negotiations like UAL’s ended.
The JCBA yielded a $500 monthly increase in LTD benefit to $8000 a month maximum cap. When asked of the JCBA negotiators why such a minmual increase to our LTD benefit? The response, due to bringing LUAL up to the LCAL type of LTD plan (as discussed earlier in this thread LUAL LTD was terrible post bankruptcy contract) all we could negotiate was the $8000 monthly max cap.
A 5 year FO shouldn’t be able to reach the max LTD benefit. This reflects a LTD benefit that severely trails pay rate increases.
That being said. Why should we as UAL pilots have significantly lower LTD benefits as compared to DAL and SWA? How is this any different from fixing reserve, training pay, vacation pay etc. all areas needing improvement in our next contract? Lastly LTD benefits shouldn’t be surpressed due to potiential pilot abuse. No one should allowed to be able to stay on LTD if there is any feasible way to obtain a FAA medical. That happened many times in the CAL LTD plan. Pilots were told by the LTD committee your eligible to regain your medical get it back or your cut off LTD.
CAL was negotiating a contract for 2 years prior to the merger and a contractual objective was to increase the LTD cap and obtain B plan company contributions for those on LTD. The merger happened and the CAL section six negotiations like UAL’s ended.
The JCBA yielded a $500 monthly increase in LTD benefit to $8000 a month maximum cap. When asked of the JCBA negotiators why such a minmual increase to our LTD benefit? The response, due to bringing LUAL up to the LCAL type of LTD plan (as discussed earlier in this thread LUAL LTD was terrible post bankruptcy contract) all we could negotiate was the $8000 monthly max cap.
A 5 year FO shouldn’t be able to reach the max LTD benefit. This reflects a LTD benefit that severely trails pay rate increases.
That being said. Why should we as UAL pilots have significantly lower LTD benefits as compared to DAL and SWA? How is this any different from fixing reserve, training pay, vacation pay etc. all areas needing improvement in our next contract? Lastly LTD benefits shouldn’t be surpressed due to potiential pilot abuse. No one should allowed to be able to stay on LTD if there is any feasible way to obtain a FAA medical. That happened many times in the CAL LTD plan. Pilots were told by the LTD committee your eligible to regain your medical get it back or your cut off LTD.
01-20-2018 | 05:32 AM
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01-20-2018 | 09:12 AM
#43
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...That being said. Why should we as UAL pilots have significantly lower LTD benefits as compared to DAL and SWA? How is this any different from fixing reserve, training pay, vacation pay etc. all areas needing improvement in our next contract? Lastly LTD benefits shouldn’t be surpressed due to potiential pilot abuse. No one should allowed to be able to stay on LTD if there is any feasible way to obtain a FAA medical. That happened many times in the CAL LTD plan. Pilots were told by the LTD committee your eligible to regain your medical get it back or your cut off LTD.
UAL pilots have already indicated to management (twice in fact) that they are willing to settle for chump change on expensive contractual QOL issues, as long as the dollars were adequate in the compensation section. Admittedly, there were extenuating circumstances during the first YEA, but not so much during the second. It was argued that we were in a pretty good spot to make some improvements, yet we settled for some quick cash. I fear that it will be an uphill fight given the mindset of many around this place. Consequently, I have my expectations set very very low.
Hopefully, TI can shake the bushes a bit.
Last edited by oldmako; 01-20-2018 at 09:33 AM.
01-21-2018 | 07:20 AM
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You should post more often. This board needs more free radicals like you.
UAL pilots have already indicated to management (twice in fact) that they are willing to settle for chump change on expensive contractual QOL issues, as long as the dollars were adequate in the compensation section. Admittedly, there were extenuating circumstances during the first YEA, but not so much during the second. It was argued that we were in a pretty good spot to make some improvements, yet we settled for some quick cash. I fear that it will be an uphill fight given the mindset of many around this place. Consequently, I have my expectations set very very low.
Hopefully, TI can shake the bushes a bit.
UAL pilots have already indicated to management (twice in fact) that they are willing to settle for chump change on expensive contractual QOL issues, as long as the dollars were adequate in the compensation section. Admittedly, there were extenuating circumstances during the first YEA, but not so much during the second. It was argued that we were in a pretty good spot to make some improvements, yet we settled for some quick cash. I fear that it will be an uphill fight given the mindset of many around this place. Consequently, I have my expectations set very very low.
Hopefully, TI can shake the bushes a bit.
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