Question:

can we mail it in the flight office and get them to mail us back another one? I've got 13 days off in a row coming up and that may be the way to go?

 

Probably (almost) no one will "rush" to get one...
Why would you? Most younger generation pilots, while loving new tech, probably have their own devices and will swap out their company IPad next time they have a long sit, or sometime during their commute. In or Out>

It's the 'older' pilots who seem to be making a bigger deal out of this. Probably the same group who also use it as a 'personal' device. Funny, *****ing about getting paid to pick up a piece of equipment yet too cheap to buy their own personal one!

As far as getting paid.. well, didn't we pick up the last 2 (or 1?) without getting paid? Didn't we already argue this point?
Did we get paid when we went in to get our vests? new ID's?
How about when we go for our FAA physicals?
Do Capt's get paid when they fill out an IR in their hotel room, or at home?
How about the 4 hours of required Computer training that pays 1 hour?

For some reason, one council decided to make this an issue. And now a handful of diehards are *****ing about it. In the end, most of the 12000 pilots will swap out their Ipads when they have a chance. For those who don't have 'sits' or refuse to go down to the CPO while at the airport, maybe they'll get them at TK next time they are there.

But I love this motto.. 'We're Professionals, we don't work for Free". LOL
Let's remember that when we try to get Public support if we get into a labor impasse. Pretty sure the whole country would laugh at the pilots about '*****ing' to swap out an Ipad. Think the NMB will offer us 1 hour pay?!
BTW, what is ALPA National's view on this. What does EVERY other airline do? Delta? FedEx?

I have a much BIGGER issue that it takes me 3-4 hours to do my required computer training at home, yet I'm only getting 1 hour of pay vs. going into the CPO and swapping out IPads either before or after a trip.

Standing by for the incoming..
Motch

PS) I would bet that this is actually more an issue for the local guys & gals.. especially the local Widebody group. Commuters may have many opportunities to do the swap out.
Seems that on one of the other Forums, they are saying that people are swapping out between sits today, walk ins are what they are doing, and that it's pretty quick and painless.

 

I don't think there is any time line on the swap out. Why not wait till Feb/March when you find yourself in a base with a few mins of dead time~
Bound to happen at some point!

Motch

 

I drive to work and have enough trouble making it by my show time, let alone an hour early. I will plan on getting the thing on a sit sometime at my convenience. Seems if they allowed pickups in other bases from the get go it would be easier. But that is the companies choice. Not going to bend over backwards to make it happen.

 

What's so hard about taking your unions advice and not doing this for free just yet while they try to work something out? Are you that opposed to taking their advice? You used more energy trying to convince folks to ignore what their union has suggested they not do than it would take to just follow the implied direction.

 

Don't know about first iPad pickups, however Todd wasn't the MEC Chairman at the time. If anyone can get us paid for this company requested time donation its Chairman Insler.

Vest and ID pickup was after report time, so yeah....you were getting paid.

FAA medical? Is that company required duty or a Federal requirement? Can you see the difference....?

IORs? If at the hotel, yes you are still getting per diem and trip rig...

CQDL....yes you get paid, maybe not what you should, but you are getting compensated.

Even with that list of things we should be paid more to do, the fact that anything is better than zero should keep the majority from donating an hour for free to the company.

 

[QUOTE/]As far as getting paid.. well, didn't we pick up the last 2 (or 1?) without getting paid? Didn't we already argue this point?
Did we get paid when we went in to get our vests? new ID's?
How about when we go for our FAA physicals?
Do Capt's get paid when they fill out an IR in their hotel room, or at home?
How about the 4 hours of required Computer training that pays 1 hour?[/QUOTE]

Yeah you're right. We already do so much for free, why not uncomplainingly add to the list.

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It's not bound to happen. In PBS, you can bid to avoid sit time, or award airports such as GRU, etc. As a person that flies Rio, Sao Paulo, Bogata, Lima, Santiago, I don't have any other base than my own. I also don't believe you can do it in another base anyways....

I don't ever have sit time in the airport during a trip. I go to work usually about 8PM at night or so on a Thursday or Friday and I land about 5 am on a Saturday, Sunday, or Monday. Sometimes I have sit time, which is unscheduled MX delay somewhere between 2200 and 0100 hours, but not likely Ipad peeps at the airport then.

Even if I came in an hour early for report time, no way the flight office would be open with Ipad peeps. For fatigue mitigation reasons, I don't want to come to the airport super early and then hang out all day before I go on a 10.5 hour flight.

767, 777, 787 pilots don't have sit time in my experience.

While it would be nice to get paid, I simply don't agree that coming into work early is fair to your employees, no matter what sort of company you work for. McDonalds doesn't make employees come into work early. But, bigger picture and more applicable to my situation is this: Coming in early would degrade safety margins and increase fatigue. What if the entire 3 man crew for Rio came in at 4:00 local base time to get their Ipads? We were on duty from 4PM until when exactly??? I am not sure the FAA would buy that. What would our CCO time be?

 

Guys.. I NEVER said 'go in early.. stay late..."

I myself will not go in early, nor will I stay late. Last time, I got mine during a delay. Big deal.

And to comment on ThePengiun328-
If we are in between trips, we are still getting paid via trip/duty rig. Not to mention PerDiem. FSB's are getting paid..
So, in that case, is it ok to swap out your IPad?
How about all those guys who have had to swap out IPads that broke over the past few years.. aghast! They did that for free?!

As I mentioned on another Forum..
I expect that Todd Insler, the entire MEC/LEC & Committee Chairs will NOT being getting their IPads until they are compensated for their time.
Then again, that should really help with company/union relations especially since we are supposedly trying to do an expedited negotiations.

As for 89Pistons-
This week the company will begin offering optional iPad upgrades. The new iPad should be a more stable platform with a longer battery life, however the current upgrade process is lengthy and done on an unpaid volunteer basis.

The MEC is working with the company to improve the process and ensure pilots can accomplish the upgrade as simply as possible. As professionals, we do not "work for free" and both ALPA and Flight Ops agree the upgrade process is strictly done at a pilot's convenience. At this time, there is no requirement to upgrade your iPad, and we do not recommend attempting to do so by coming in early prior to a trip. If you have any questions or feedback, please contact your LEC officers.


Nothing different than what I've stated before. Not required by the company (optional).. no one EVER said go in early or stay late. No where does it say DO NOT UPGRADE.

But I love the 'We do not work for free" line..
Yes we do. We are paid from brake release to door open. We are not paid from when we show up to work UNLESS you believe that M5D, and trip/duty rig means we are paid when we show up to work.
In that case, since we are paid when we show up, going in and doing an IPad swap is during our paid time. Which is it?
Always interesting to see where individuals are willing to draw the line. Just a matter of opinion, really.

Any Delta/FedEx guys (& gals) want to chime in on how you do/did your EFB pick ups or swaps...
How about some of the other carriers?

Thanks
Motch

pS> Maybe we need something in our next contract that states that in the event of an IPad swap, we get :30 mins of pay/duty. Keep in mind, we are NOT paid for Drug tests, just :15 mins of extra duty. That may or may not matter based on your trip.

 

You should NOT go in early. I agree. You're the perfect example that the union should mention. No way for you to get your swap unless it's during a delay AND someone is there to do it.
Maybe you're the example of an individual who should swap out when you're at TK.

I'm a 756 guy. I got my last IPad during a delay. I get the issue for some (a few) pilots. But that pilots who are doing swaps between trips (during a sit) or on FSB are now being called 'independent contractors' is Bull****. (edited for the snowflakes with sensitive eyes~).

The Company NEVER said you HAVE to swap by a certain date/time. Nor did they say 'come in early... stay late...'
But one council decided to twist facts and now we have this goat rope of a conversation going on.

Motch

PS> If I remember right, last time it started out with M-F and office hours and transitioned to weekends and later hours to accommodate the WB/International crowd.