Get your 4 year
98.8 have it

 

Not directed at but rather through your post, but when has volunteer hours become a determining qualification for a pilot applicant?

 

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The crickets are the thing. They make you feel like nothing is happening. But they don't mean anything. I had my app in for something like 4 years. I had literally given up. The call came out of the blue. You don't know where you are in the stack. You never know if you're the next one on the list to call or 5000 numbers down. So assume the next update will put you over the top. I think 5000 TPIC counts for more than 1000 PIC. Maybe not. Does 5000 TPIC count more than a 4 year degree AND 500 PIC? I don't know if it does. We know everything on the app counts for something, but nobody really knows the value of anything in relation to other items on the app.

We know the profile of those selected tends to run greater than 5000TT, greater than 1000PIC; 121 PIC, or mil background; BA or better, some kind of additional duty - union or management, and more than one internal LOR.

 

When 10,000 applications are on file, some number of them will have identical scores, and volunteerism may become a way to differentiate between two otherwise equally qualified candidates.

Additionally, in the HR portion of the interview your answer to a TMAAT question that doesn't revolve around airplanes may make a positive impression on people who hear nothing but airplane stories. ALL. DAY. LONG. EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

 

I would say apply and update every single day . Get as many LOR as you can. Doesn't hurt to try . Is it likely maybe not but doesn't me NO. Now that being said I would also hunker down and get that degree . If you get hired prior to finishing good for you , but would act as if . Attend every job fair United attends . If it's what you what then stop at nothing till you get it. The more you show that to a recruiter the better your odds .

You can call mutple schools and show them all your ratings etc , pick the one that gives you the most credits to obtain your 4 year degree. It's what I did . Basically called 5 schools and said who ever gives me the most credits is where I am going. It's a total money making scam business in my opinion. Play the game.

Best of luck, apply apply apply

 

If the scores are identical the solution is simple. Invite the one who applied first. Are we hiring pilots or candy stripers?

One's life experience isn't comprised solely of aviation interests. Family, education, life's opportunities/regrets, interests outside of aviation, and European Literature from Romanticism to Postmodernism all provide a window for discussion.

It almost seems as if one is frowned upon if they do not possess a history of volunteerism.

 

Ok, what do you guys think about chances here:

9500TT
7500 at foreign airline (320, 330, 777)
No TPIC
4-year degree
Mid-30s

Thanks

 

I don’t know when... but I know it matters. After six job fairs it’s been a repeated desire for them (United, Delta, UPS etc) to see. Is it “required”? No, but like RobThree stated, it differentiates you, gives you something to talk about, and shows your character.

 

I honestly don’t know the algorithm they use for scoring, but there is a possibility that much total time and no TPIC might be a negative. I believe they like to see some sort of career progression, but then again maybe I’m wrong.

Good luck!