Annoyed
 

I know it's not a very big deal in the grand scheme of things, but I find myself getting annoyed every month on the 17th at about this time when line awards are still not out. Is there actually someone at WHQ actually working right now (2240 ET) on the schedules? Or some ALPA rep going through the lines one by one making sure they are ready to publish?

Preach on. CA bids came out 24 hours prior to their deadline, but here we sit, two hours to go....

What would we actually get from the company if they were late on delivery? A heartfelt apology and promise to do better?

My biggest peeve is the first duty day of Feb is in 13 days, and I don’t know if I’m working or not.

It's pretty bogus , the dates in which our lines come out , including the ability to adjust schedules for resrves in the 25th of the month !?!?

My Cassio watch from 1988 could do a better job than our entire bidding system .

Hate to say it but it's a joke . And the G line . Worst invention ever

I think everyone shares the same sentiment 130shadow.

Agreed. Stupid.

"Its so PBS can make sure it honors all the 'avoid fly with'" awards.

Bullshot!!!

Roots of this lead straight to CAL pathetic ‘02 BOHICA contract. If you ever see Tom Stivalla make sure to give him the Bronx cheer...

Not aimed at you, but in general...

1. Don't worry, we'll fix it in the next contract.
2. Reserve is a choice...
3. The company has to be competitive, we pilots can't demand too much, that would just be wrong.
4. It's the best job in the world, why can't we just all get along?
5. Come in and work for free? It's not that big a deal.
6. 1 hour of pay for 3-5 hours training?

Category awards tab is starting to fill in, currently on DCA 320 FO awards. It goes alphabetically. This is the latest I've ever seen it get published. When I was at Air Wisconsin, ca's got their schedules the first week of the month prior, fo's a week later.....hard to plan when you have something right at the beginning of the next month.

:D :D dis is awesum!!!

Stivala doesn't have to use PBS, so he doesn't care.

All the dudes that voted yes in POS 02 that now laugh (and sometimes cry) at PBS....Come on, you guys thought it was real men of genius stuff back then....This was NASA 401 advanced studies stuff right?

Funny. After the bids crashed in multiple bases during Thanksgiving and Christmas, Kellner came to the union and said we could turn PBS back off, you could have your 750 million dollars back, and the union, who was infiltrated with scabs, scab lovers, and wana-be under-studies of Stivala, and protégé's of Muir said no, we'll keep our precious PBS. Just threw the entire pilot group under the bus. Had a chance to start with a clean slate, get our concessions back and have a do-over....But, no, we gotta save the company, we just gotta vote yes at all costs.

Any idea what the story is with EWR777FO?

looks like everyone in ewr777 fo is off for the entire month......and here i was complaining and they just gave me off 31 days. I should snapshot that and not check ccs again for the rest of the month. it shows 31 days. see you guys in march

And because they come out painfully slow in alphabetical order, us SFO FOs get our awards later than anyone.

Click PBS tab on EZCCS, sip beer, click refresh, sip beer, look at buddy’s schedule in other domicile, sip beer, click refresh...

or it could be that i was fired.....what was the name of that truck driving school???

[QUOTE=Winston;2505447]And because they come out painfully slow in alphabetical order, us SFO FOs get our awards later than anyone.

11pm in ORD time for our schedules to show up for ORD pilots. At least it's only 907pm and yours should be coming up now.

Looks like everything from IAH on is loaded OK, but CLE, DCA, DEN, and EWR still jacked up.

Tick tock

Truckmaster.... 😆

That is funny!!!

I have PDR'd this some time ago... hopefully enough of us complain about it and they fix it. Please email/call/text your reps!!! Venting on here is great...but will not fix it.

What exactly are you PDR'ing ? If it come out on the 17th at 11:59 it's following the contract correct ? Honest question cause I would be glad to PDR the whole pile of sheet that the system is but that's unrealistic

There is nothing to PDR until 00:01 on the 18th. Anything earlier than that is gravy.

Anyone else have a Feb CCS issue?

I can see my PBS award report, but nothing has migrated to the CCS calendar, and therefore, not to Pilot Mobile, either.

I’ve called IT and they are looking at it, but was curious if anyone else has this problem.

My master schedule and Crew Companion is loaded. SFO 787 FO

There must be a hell of a lot of Capts on those avoids, right?!!

Got my sched AT the deadline. WTF.

This is a serious question, but It always come out late in the day on the 17th, why not just go to sleep and find out on the 18th, is their a huge advantage to knowing at 3pm on the 17th? To my knowledge I can’t change anything about my schedule until the 25th anyway. Am I wrong?

yes, you are correct, it can come out at 1159pm on the 17th and it's all good, but then why are we threatened if our 1 hour of pay for 4 hours of CBT crap has to be done prior to the last day of the month??? if my flight physical expires on the last of the month, why do they want it done several days prior. i should be able to submit it at 1159pm on the last day of the month. blah blah blah

You’re not wrong; I’d rather know my schedule sooner than later though, and 5 hours, 1 day, 3 days, whatever is sooner. Some people don’t want to know the sex of their baby either, but I preferred the time to plan regardless.

Hypothetically: the company hears your plaint and says, starting in March, they'll be published no later than 0000 on the 17th instead of the 18th. March comes around, there will the same guys saying, "it's 2250 on the 16th and the lines aren't out yet, why can't they get them out early." The next month, the company says they'll publish them no later than 0000 on the 16th. April comes around, the same guys are saying, "it's 2250 on the 15th and the lines aren't out yet."

should be published at 0300LBT on the 17th... that way we will all be sound asleep and have something to look forward to in the morning (like Christmas). :D

My wife flies for SWA....As an FO her bidding closed on the 9th and two hours later she had her line. They also have avoidance bids for Captains they don't want to fly with. UAL bidding is a disgrace.

Exactly. There are people I have flown with who defend this system and I just cannot understand how that’s possible. It’s terrible.

i suppose they could put out the awards at 0300LBT when we are asleep, but PBS is like sex, i like to go to sleep after getting screwed

The same people would be complaining still, but they'd say, "bidding closed 1 hour ago and I still don't have my line. This place S#$#S."

PBS is a concession.

Rename it to BIS...Butts In Seats. Cuz that's all it really does. It puts booties in chairs.

But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. Not defending it, but it’s much easier for the computer to dole out your choice of lines then it is for it to spit out every single PBS request.
I do not like PBS, but I wouldn’t use SWA as an example of the gold standard of IT-just ask anyone that works there-it’s worse than we are. (I’m not just talking about bidding).
I’d be happy to close bidding a week earlier if we could get our schedule a week earlier.

[QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. [QUOTE]

Keep It Simple Sam.

Think of all the money SWA is saving on computers.....

PBS is a concession. If SWA pilots were to concede and give in to management, they would need a 30 % pay raise to nibble on the cheese.

The CAL and UAL pilots, with one post merger contract and one extension have yet to be properly reimbursed for their concessions, the concession that keeps on giving. No manpower staffing minimums, minimum ALPA input, and no ALPA control. It's a concession because it allows the company to operate unfettered, reduce staffing, and it forces pilots to give up control, and in the end, it marginalizes and abrogates your seniority.

Seniority used to mean allot...That was before PBS. Now, not so much.

[QUOTE=baseball;2506253][QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. I’m not arguing PBS vs Line Select-it IS a concession-and I’d much rather have line bidding with Swa vacation rules. I was merely talking about the speed at which the bids are processed.

Thank you!!

It’s not a real problem at UAL.
Being a first officer is a choice. Lol.


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[QUOTE=baseball;2506253][QUOTE=terminal;2506069]But they also do line bidding which really doesn’t have he same computing requirements as PBS. PBS isn't so much a problem in and of itself. Global solution is. There are PBS systems that exist that do not abrogate seniority and are much more user friendly.

I get your point about staffing but I would hate to go back to bidding on prebuilt lines.