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BoJet 03-19-2018 08:21 AM

MAX 10 Pay
 
I’d imagine the 737 Max -10 will have to be assigned a pay rate. Without mentioning pay banding or starting that holy war, how will this new plane’s pay be addressed?
It’s hard to find past precedent for this kind of thing in the UPA. United hasn’t ordered a narrowbody of a different size or variant within this pay category recently.

CALFO 03-19-2018 08:49 AM

You want more money to fly the Max10? Isnt the satisfaction of knowing that you are in command of Boeing’s newest, most state of the art, aircraft enough extra compensation? Money can’t buy the grin on your face when you push those throttles forward and feel the hydraulic lift kit extend the mains.

svergin 03-19-2018 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by BoJet (Post 2553968)
I’d imagine the 737 Max -10 will have to be assigned a pay rate. Without mentioning pay banding or starting that holy war, how will this new plane’s pay be addressed?
It’s hard to find past precedent for this kind of thing in the UPA. United hasn’t ordered a narrowbody of a different size or variant within this pay category recently.

I think we screwed ourselves with the pay bands here. By saying we’d fly a 757 for the same as a 737 (I understand why we did that for SLI) we aren’t going to get more money now that we are flying 200 seat airplanes for the same as 150 seat planes. So expect to fly the Max 10 at no higher rate than the narrowbody pay band.

Chuck D 03-19-2018 09:33 AM

reserves will probably go up $0.50/hr due to blended so there's that ;)

HuggyU2 03-19-2018 09:53 AM

I was just told that it wouldn't matter if UAL was on a UPS-type pay scale, where the type aircraft didn't matter... only seat and longevity.
I like the idea of that, although I haven't thought it through.

PowderFinger 03-19-2018 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by HuggyU2 (Post 2554051)
I was just told that it wouldn't matter if UAL was on a UPS-type pay scale, where the type aircraft didn't matter... only seat and longevity.
I like the idea of that, although I haven't thought it through.

Working international is like working for a different airline at United. Better in so many respects I'm not certain you would see a major shift in who flys what.

Larry in TN 03-19-2018 10:38 AM

UPA 3-J defines the process for adding new equipment types.

El Guapo 03-19-2018 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by PowderFinger (Post 2554073)
Working international is like working for a different airline at United. Better in so many respects I'm not certain you would see a major shift in who flys what.

It’s better if you like the youngest flight attendant be older than your mother.

RomeoHotel 03-19-2018 11:19 AM

Versus: the oldest flight attendant being younger than your daughter

Slop 03-19-2018 04:33 PM


You want more money to fly the Max10? Isnt the satisfaction of knowing that you are in command of Boeing’s newest, most state of the art, aircraft enough extra compensation? Money can’t buy the grin on your face when you push those throttles forward and feel the hydraulic lift kit extend the mains.
Personally, I like pressing recall 17 times per checklist.

oldmako 03-19-2018 06:23 PM

All the while I was searching for the wink.

cal73 03-19-2018 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by Slop (Post 2554356)
Personally, I like pressing recall 17 times per checklist.



You have to press it that much to get all the lights to illuminate on both sides. And it also discourages the flying pilot from pressing it another 10 times while reading the checklist.
Cover your eyes [emoji849]


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cadetdrivr 03-20-2018 01:28 AM


Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 2554438)
You have to press it that much to get all the lights to illuminate on both sides. And it also discourages the flying pilot from pressing it another 10 times while reading the checklist.
Cover your eyes [emoji849]

At least that’s all fixed with the 21st century MAX.

:D

detpilot 03-20-2018 05:01 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 2553990)
You want more money to fly the Max10? Isnt the satisfaction of knowing that you are in command of Boeing’s newest, most state of the art, aircraft enough extra compensation? Money can’t buy the grin on your face when you push those throttles forward and feel the hydraulic lift kit extend the mains.

[emoji23][emoji23][emoji23][emoji23] Pure GOLD!!!!

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cal73 03-20-2018 06:24 AM

Anybody have any buds at swa and amr who have actually flown it? The CBTs are not giving me a warm fuzzy


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Smooth at FL450 03-20-2018 06:27 AM


Originally Posted by cal73 (Post 2554682)
Anybody have any buds at swa and amr who have actually flown it? The CBTs are not giving me a warm fuzzy


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You'll be able to eat lunch during engine start...

biigD 03-20-2018 06:49 AM

I've flown the MAX-8 a few times. The engines are smoother and quieter, and as mentioned above, take a ton of time to start when warm. They seem to idle higher too - release the brakes and you'll slowly start to move.

Otherwise it's still a 737. The big screens are pretty, but there's not really any extra capability. Just more map display. I feel like it's a little heavier in pitch during landing, and had a CA say he thought it felt a lot like a 767 (I wouldn't know), but it's close enough to an NG that I don't think about it much.

It's nice not having an OFF position for the gear anymore, and they moved the handle far enough to break any tendency to blindly reach up and accidentally put the gear down during the climb. ;)

DashTrash 03-22-2018 06:33 AM


Originally Posted by biigD (Post 2554701)
I've flown the MAX-8 a few times. The engines are smoother and quieter, and as mentioned above, take a ton of time to start when warm. They seem to idle higher too - release the brakes and you'll slowly start to move.

Otherwise it's still a 737. The big screens are pretty, but there's not really any extra capability. Just more map display. I feel like it's a little heavier in pitch during landing, and had a CA say he thought it felt a lot like a 767 (I wouldn't know), but it's close enough to an NG that I don't think about it much.

It's nice not having an OFF position for the gear anymore, and they moved the handle far enough to break any tendency to blindly reach up and accidentally put the gear down during the climb. ;)

A 767 is fairly light regarding both pitch and definitely bank. The 757 is much heavier.

PowderFinger 03-23-2018 06:30 AM


Originally Posted by El Guapo (Post 2554093)
It’s better if you like the youngest flight attendant be older than your mother.

Without regard to age, I view the FAs as a necessary evil required by federal law.

The benefit of having the grannies is the ease of starting a conversation in the galley ... So, how many cats do you have? ... Finally you see life in their eyes.

The true sign that a younger FA is about to fall off the cliff ... I just got my first kitten ...

Necessary evil.

Guppydriver95 03-30-2018 02:37 PM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 2553990)
You want more money to fly the Max10? Isnt the satisfaction of knowing that you are in command of Boeing’s newest, most state of the art, aircraft enough extra compensation? Money can’t buy the grin on your face when you push those throttles forward and feel the hydraulic lift kit extend the mains.

Please NEVER volunteer for the negotiating committee. Thank you.

PowderFinger 03-30-2018 02:50 PM


Originally Posted by Guppydriver95 (Post 2561965)
Please NEVER volunteer for the negotiating committee. Thank you.

I can't speak for CALFO but I read it as if his Sarcasm Switch was in the O-N position.

Mods ... We really need an emoji with a pegged sarcasm meter.


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