Yay! ORD/AKL 787 announced. Ord 787 Base?
 

Nope! Code Share with ANZ... :mad:

Yup! And the company is wanting more of this? :eek:

Don’t forget scope on the JV front is just as important as the RJ front.

This isn't JV it is Star Alliance. This has been allowed for a long time. Still, I wish it were us.

The 787-10 starts showing up soon. It is a 12 hour airplane. I wouldn't be surprised to see an ORD and or EWR 787 base. Europe and SA flying. It is a great replacement for the early 777's lUAL bought. It is their natural replacement.

Right now, with the seating configurations, it would be a stretch to have the 787-10 replace the 777 A's. The A's now have 364 seats. I don't know what the UAL configuration will be but many are around 300 seats.

Remember, the A350 order was supposed to replace the early 777's. The oldest of which was built in 1994. If someone were to ask me, a good replacement for the 777's would be a new 777.

Yup. DAL led the way in giving away 50 seat scope, they’re now doing it giving away their upper end widebody flying to JV. The die has been cast.



Per UALs recent investor update:

Don't be surprised if some, or all, of the 787-10 orders get deferred.

I still remember the “codeshare” that CAL and UAL had, which was basically an outsourcing of CAL to United. While it was true we didn’t let code share partners fly anything bigger than a 50 seater, we would fly passengers into a United hub with their CAL bought ticket and then go get on a 747 and fly to Asia, etc. We were never going to get a big widebody fleet like United while we were outsourcing this much flying.

If you’re interested, here is the list of the last one filed. With the exception of 2 routes flown by CAL, the rest was all UAL.

Continental and UNITED on 21AUG09 issued several applications for codeshare routes.

Additional planned codeshare routes are the following:
UNITED operated by Continental
Newark – Beijing
Newark – Shanghai

Continental operated by UNITED
Chicago – Beijing
Chicago – Shanghai
San Francisco – Beijing
San Francisco – Guangzhou (should UNITED decides to go ahead with the launch)
San Francisco – Shanghai
Washington – Beijing (service via Tokyo in W09/10 season)

Chicago – Cancun
Chicago – Cozumel
Chicago – Los Cabos
Chicago – Mexico City
Chicago – Puerto Vallarta
Denver – Cancun
Denver – Los Cabos
Denver – Puerto Vallarta
Los Angeles – Cancun
Los Angeles – Los Cabos
Los Angeles – Mexico City
Los Angeles – Puerto Vallarta
San Francisco – Cancun
San Francisco – Los Cabos
San Francisco – Mexico City
San Francisco – Puerto Vallarta
Washington Dulles – Cancun
Washington Dulles – Mexico City

*points between US and Japan, which UNITED operates:
Tokyo – Chicago
Tokyo – Honolulu
Tokyo – Los Angeles
Tokyo – San Francisco
Tokyo – Seattle
Tokyo – Washington Dulles
Osaka – San Francisco

*points between US and Vietnam
San Francisco – Hong Kong – Ho Chi Minh (Hong Kong currently not included in codeshare application)

I dont really agree here Dave...
The UA configurations on the 772 range from 266-364. I doubt a new airplane will be outfitted like the current 777As are - The Old UA Business class seat which is 2-4-2 config. But, if you take the Singapore 787-10 seat map (334 seats) and put in the Old UA Business seat instead of the Singapore Business seat, Id imagine you'd get pretty close to 360. If not, also consider that the 777A has 3-4-3 in coach and the Business Cabin does not extend aft of the 2L/R doors. I don't have info on the area of the seating cabins, but I think they're very close. All depends on how they want to configure the plane.

It is not a total loss......SFO - AKL is now going year around with this announcement.

Previously we were seasonal and during the summer NZ flew daily and 3 times weekly. Now NZ is only daily and UA is taking over the 3 times weekly flight year around.

doesn't help ORD pilots :o.......

JC told me the final 787-10 configuration will have 318 seats. I’m not talking about Jesus.

True, but we were daily seasonally and now we are 3 times a week year round. It kind of seems like a wash.

Just to be clear, UAL and ANZ do have a JV. (Source)

These new routes are absolutely part of the “revenue sharing/expense sharing” JV agreement. ANZ also flies metal to LAX, SFO, and IAH. Seems like those cities all have something in common, no?

Got scope?

Star Alliance "scope" left the room 15+ years ago. It will never be put back in the bottle. What DAL is doing is worse, including buying into foreign carriers.

The "cattle car" 777's do have a lot of seats, but so could the 787-10 if configured similarly. The cattle car 777's have a very low gross weight, and max range.

The 787-10 does not have the range of the other 787's or most 777's. But most of our 777's are not flown on 14+ hour legs. The majority fly 8-12 hours, which the 787-10 does also, but more efficiently. It is supposed to be super efficient on a seat mile basis.

I think we will not only take delivery of the 787-10's but I think we will buy more. Europe, SA it is perfect. It is even good for NRT flights, as most of those are under 12 hours.

What if they just got rid of the 767’s all together (possibly the 75’s eventually?) and only had 777-200/300 & 787-8/9/10 variants of widebodies? Seems like the cost savings of less fleet types might make up for the higher sticker prices of newer planes. I say this as someone who likes the 76

From a seat size perspective it makes perfect sense.

The problem is the 787 is heavier than the 767 due to the structure required to support all that fuel for LONG range flying. Thus on transatlantic flights the fuel savings are not significant and when the price of a new 787 is considered the economics are not good.

That’s why the 767s are still around and the new Boeing middle-of-market airplane is being considered.

FWIW, “training center” info:

We are going to take all the 787s on order

Acquiring additional 777-300s to total 35

Still looking at the used Chinese airbus market

Made a deal for Air Berlin 319s (I think 15-20)

PS This was relayed prior to April’s fools day in case anyone is wondering

Yes but consider the source.


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Source was managing director of flight training but all usual caveats apply of course

It makes sense because it is not sensational.

Well, another 21 777-300s is a pretty big order.

Aren’t they all?


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Is he the guy that is still overseeing the A350 fleet? Aircraft delivery and bids to fly them are all that matters, everything else is noise.

I don’t see us looking for more used airbus, they have stopped getting the 25 used ones they ordered all ready. We only have 12 and so far no plans when they start coming again. At least until not next year.