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dmeg13021 05-01-2018 03:21 PM

Out of base pick up also needs to stay after reserves get a crack at aggressive pick up, but before they get tagged with open time trips.

SUX4U 05-01-2018 04:17 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 2584082)
Allowing out of base pickup several days in advance would have serious consequences to trip treading, SRM, Overtime, and PPU. The in base pilots need access to those trips until the last minute.

The only segment of the pilot group it would help would be the commuters.

Fair enough. However, I see IAH-GIG, ORD-EDI, DEN-LIH, etc trips that go all the way until the assignment window with no in base reserve trying to APU or line holder trying to trade in/pick up. Most often another out of base grabs them. So there are exceptions for trips that in base pilots obviously don't want. From a few IAH 756 FO's I've talked to, they love out of base pilots taking their Deep South bunkie trips so they can sit at home vs flying all night.

I've had a few shots at out of base PPU trips as well on the 756. Most of those trips pop up late in the evening for the following morning or mid day for later that night. So I don't fully agree with your perspective that out of base pick up an extra day or so early would be as detrimental as you make it sound. Of course, more time for out of base pick up would mean more options for local reserves to tag trips earlier to prevent an out of base grabbing it.

Grumble 05-01-2018 04:23 PM


Originally Posted by dmeg13021 (Post 2584233)
Out of base pick up also needs to stay after reserves get a crack at aggressive pick up, but before they get tagged with open time trips.

They do, hence the 1300LBT for out of base.

davessn763 05-02-2018 08:05 AM

They have been putting 50% add pay PPU on trips if they have enough time before show to see if someone will pick it up before they SRM.

pilotgolfer 05-02-2018 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by davessn763 (Post 2584687)
They have been putting 50% add pay PPU on trips if they have enough time before show to see if someone will pick it up before they SRM.

I had that happen last week. A sick call for the 1230 NRT flight hit open time at 0730. They had no short calls for the morning. By 0740, they had slapped 50% PP on it. I’m not sure how long they would of waited before they started SRM. I grabbed it while I had the chance. Easiest 40 hour of pay 3 day I’ve ever seen.

worstpilotever 05-02-2018 12:23 PM

F that...double pay or nothing for me.

SUX4U 05-02-2018 03:30 PM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 2584884)
F that...double pay or nothing for me.

Right! I love when I see a trip go 50 and sit for 30 minutes, then 75 and sit until it finally goes 100. Next thing you know it’s gone within 2 minutes. Stop picking up 50% and you’ll get a shot at 100% before they senior man.

Itsajob 05-03-2018 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by SUX4U (Post 2585003)
Right! I love when I see a trip go 50 and sit for 30 minutes, then 75 and sit until it finally goes 100. Next thing you know it’s gone within 2 minutes. Stop picking up 50% and you’ll get a shot at 100% before they senior man.

It could be that the guy didn’t have the seniority to ever get a 100% trip and was doing the best that he could. Lots of people pick up advertised trips early to fit their schedule because once they hit premium pay only the super senior will stand a chance. Also by the time trips hit 100%, many commuters couldn’t get there in time to cover it. To each their own.

pilotgolfer 05-03-2018 05:43 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2585291)
It could be that the guy didn’t have the seniority to ever get a 100% trip and was doing the best that he could. Lots of people pick up advertised trips early to fit their schedule because once they hit premium pay only the super senior will stand a chance. Also by the time trips hit 100%, many commuters couldn’t get there in time to cover it. To each their own.

That was the case with me. NRT trips never last in OT more than a few minutes. This particular trip was a flying leg over with a Deadhead back. With all that soft time, I was willing to do it at straight time. The 50% PP was an unexpected surprise. I’m 12 from the bottom of the BES...I shouldn’t even be a lineholder at this point...

Grumble 05-03-2018 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2585291)
It could be that the guy didn’t have the seniority to ever get a 100% trip and was doing the best that he could. Lots of people pick up advertised trips early to fit their schedule because once they hit premium pay only the super senior will stand a chance. Also by the time trips hit 100%, many commuters couldn’t get there in time to cover it. To each their own.

We get it, you’re ok with 50%.

Put me in the “won’t work on my day off for less than 100%” category.

I appreciate the 50% guys, once they’ve cleaned out everything that follows is sure to hit 100.


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