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oldmako 06-28-2018 06:34 PM

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...NxIQ5l5-W2Glql

How 'bout new paint on these? Just think of how much we could save!

liveupthere 06-28-2018 09:00 PM

Every single one of those pictures was created by some fan-boy. Nothing has been released by Boeing.

Edit: well, except the Shorts

John Carr 06-28-2018 10:08 PM

It’ll be a way cool airplane, a game changer....

Jaded N Cynical 06-29-2018 07:13 AM


Originally Posted by Airhoss (Post 2624159)
The day we see the last 737 NG hauling freight in some African republic can not come soon enough.


Planning to live past 150?

Zenofzin 06-29-2018 09:20 AM

Any of you guys ever taken an economics class?? What plane you like or think is cool don’t mean sh$t, sorry boys the 737 isn’t going away... it’s a money maker.

cadetdrivr 06-29-2018 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by Zenofzin (Post 2624531)
Any of you guys ever taken an economics class?? What plane you like or think is cool don’t mean sh$t, sorry boys the 737 isn’t going away... it’s a money maker.

It seems UAL is the primary customer for the 737 MAX 9 and 10.

Meanwhile, the 321 NEO outsells the large MAXs 5-to-1. (Sales of the 320 NEO and the MAX 8 are far more similar.)

Since these sorts of decisions are made by CFOs I'm gonna assume that economics are indeed the primary driver. Which begs the question: was UAL given an insanely awesome sweetheart deal on these large MAXs or are we simply the outlier? Or both? Or something else?

Andy 06-29-2018 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2624598)
It seems UAL is the primary customer for the 737 MAX 9 and 10.

Meanwhile, the 321 NEO outsells the large MAXs 5-to-1. (Sales of the 320 NEO and the MAX 8 are far more similar.)

Since these sorts of decisions are made by CFOs I'm gonna assume that economics are indeed the primary driver. Which begs the question: was UAL given an insanely awesome sweetheart deal on these large MAXs or are we simply the outlier? Or both? Or something else?

Our CFO that went all in on the guppy got a D in economics.

Setopbug 06-29-2018 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by liveupthere (Post 2624276)
Every single one of those pictures was created by some fan-boy. Nothing has been released by Boeing.

Edit: well, except the Shorts

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...astian-449780/

https://ca.reuters.com/article/busin...BN1JN2QS-OCABS

It's not an announcement, but the writing is certainly now on the wall.

cadetdrivr 06-29-2018 03:01 PM

FWIW, here's a BOEING conceptual drawing that was leaked/released earlier this year and it's very generic to hide the details:

https://jonostrower.com/wp-content/u...0.15.04-PM.png

Full article:

https://jonostrower.com/2018/03/the-...nma-rendering/

Grumble 06-29-2018 04:14 PM


Originally Posted by Zenofzin (Post 2624531)
Any of you guys ever taken an economics class?? What plane you like or think is cool don’t mean sh$t, sorry boys the 737 isn’t going away... it’s a money maker.

That’s why all the LCCs are buying Airbus?


Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 2624598)
It seems UAL is the primary customer for the 737 MAX 9 and 10.

Meanwhile, the 321 NEO outsells the large MAXs 5-to-1. (Sales of the 320 NEO and the MAX 8 are far more similar.)

Since these sorts of decisions are made by CFOs I'm gonna assume that economics are indeed the primary driver. Which begs the question: was UAL given an insanely awesome sweetheart deal on these large MAXs or are we simply the outlier? Or both? Or something else?

What I’ve heard is the big swath of guppies we got in the 2012-16 timeframe were a consolation prize (at steep discount) for all the 787 delays (that at Znotins, who was let go, was a guppy fanboy). That pretty much set us on course to be a guppy narrow body fleet... that and the NEO is sold out through the end of forever.

So Boeing is late, over schedule, sells a POS at usedcar prices, and hooks us into being committed to said underperforming narrow body airplane until the end of time. Gotta give them credit... well played.


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