If you don’t pay your bills for a decade you have money left to pay monthly bonus for the on time performance !! 100 to 200 dollars per month
That’s what CAL did from 1990 to 1998
Free planes , free engines and a lot of help from NWA and GE to make payroll
Let me remind you Bonderman , poison pill , all resources from Minneapolis, Dc9 parts , DC10 parts , 727 parts AOG from Minneapolis all the time
I can go on and on

Facts only

However it’s a new era for you guys
Stop bringing the past

I was a LUAL 1K before, during, and after the merger. I can categorically state that UAL service and customer relations became significantly worse after Smisek et al took over. It was a terrible experience.

I really doubt this guy even works for UAL.

Exactly!!! Gordo allowed Fred Abbott and the truly evil Debbie McCoy to literally flourish and move way up ranks. She played havoc on many pilots lives and in gerneral enjoyed doing whatever possible to mess with pilots en masse. He also strongly endorsed Smisek on CNBC countless times before Smisek was fired.

I think you grossly 'misunderestimate' how abysmal CAL was prior to Bethune getting a chance to pull it out of the dumpster fire. Everything he did was an improvement over the prior regimes that were sill trying to follow Lorenzo's legacy. Yeah, the contracts were not industry standard, but that does not diminish the fact that they were better than before, employee morale and customer satisfaction kept improving while he was in charge.

You're using contemporary conditions to judge the actions of the past. CAL of the early 90's was as bad a place to work as any in aviation history.

Why the hard-on for $65 a month. Hell, we get a bigger bonus than that now.

If he/she is posting this in 2018 then he/she clearly doesn't

Munoz brought the monthly bonus back after Smisek got **** canned, he allegedly had a meeting with Bethune and the bonus was one of the outcomes. It's not a big deal to some but it's a whole days pay for the guys who work the ramp. If those guys aren't happy, you're running in quick sand.


Bethune was no saint and he certainly lined his (and his buddies) pockets but he DID make a point of purging all things Lorenzo- that was a big start. He certainly had a cost advantage but he was also smart enough to let the people in the trenches make their own decisions, something that scumbag Smisek completely eliminated in the name of a spreadsheet. Smisek was Bethune's boy so some of that is on him.


The operation continues to improve as the Smisek stink wears off, I think a lot of people underestimate just how badly he ****ed this place up in a relatively short amount of time. Talk to anyone who works in Willis Tower and they will tell you that it's a different company since Smisek left.

He was knob gobbling Smisek on CNBC even after he got fired!!!

Remember when PanAm and Eastern were the bee’s knee’s? The company in it’s current form is in the best shape it has ever been. Both legacies are lucky this merger happened.