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CALFO 07-16-2018 08:53 AM

Slightly off topic but if United owns the planes and they are being flown on United routes then shouldn’t United pilots have first rights to the jumpseat?

Aviatorr 07-16-2018 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 2635852)
Slightly off topic but if United owns the planes and they are being flown on United routes then shouldn’t United pilots have first rights to the jumpseat?

I agree and wish we did.

iahflyr 07-16-2018 09:24 AM


Originally Posted by Aviatorr (Post 2635856)
I agree and wish we did.

As a United pilot, I would say no. They are operated by our UAX partners, so they should get priority on them

I have never understood why pilots in general are so damn greedy. Senior pilots seem to find any way possible to screw the junior guys. I appreciate that everyone is finally willing to hold the line on scope and not sell out junior pilots at the regionals. The whole reason why regional airlines exist is senior guys screwing the young.

I would support a 20% paycut at the WB CA level if it meant that money would go to increase regional FO and captain rates. They are way underpaid. We are not. Lets stop trying to screw junior people even more than they already are

Monkeyfly 07-16-2018 09:54 AM

Ask yourself this question regarding the RJ buy:

Is Kirby buying them with the full intention of having them always be 70 seaters?

If the the answer is no, that means either he is buying them with the full intention of violating your contract or the full intention and $1.1b expectation of extracting a major concession from you.

I don’t understand any reaction to this except outrage. Sad to see the reactions of yesteryear on this board.

Grumble 07-16-2018 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2635873)
As a United pilot, I would say no. They are operated by our UAX partners, so they should get priority on them

I have never understood why pilots in general are so damn greedy. Senior pilots seem to find any way possible to screw the junior guys. I appreciate that everyone is finally willing to hold the line on scope and not sell out junior pilots at the regionals. The whole reason why regional airlines exist is senior guys screwing the young.

I would support a 20% paycut at the WB CA level if it meant that money would go to increase regional FO and captain rates. They are way underpaid. We are not. Lets stop trying to screw junior people even more than they already are


Wow.

How about we take back OUR flying and then they can all come work at mainline and make better money?

PhantomHawk 07-16-2018 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2635888)
Wow.

How about we take back OUR flying and then they can all come work at mainline and make better money?

As a regional pilot, I agree with THIS mindset. Don’t prolong the regional model any more than it already is, please.

Bluewaffle 07-16-2018 10:25 AM


Originally Posted by Monkeyfly (Post 2635883)
Ask yourself this question regarding the RJ buy:

Is Kirby buying them with the full intention of having them always be 70 seaters?

If the the answer is no, that means either he is buying them with the full intention of violating your contract or the full intention and $1.1b expectation of extracting a major concession from you.

I don’t understand any reaction to this except outrage. Sad to see the reactions of yesteryear on this board.

Outrage? A little early for that I think. If the aircraft end up with more than 70 seats, its because they are being flown by UA pilots. That is the goal here right? Scope choke is working, they are maxed out on 76 seat flying. If they want to put 70 seats in an aircraft that is designed to seat 88, thats fine. The inefficiencies of such a configuration only enhance our position and hopefully will lead to a new SMNB order in the future.

CALFO 07-16-2018 10:45 AM


Originally Posted by iahflyr (Post 2635873)
As a United pilot, I would say no. They are operated by our UAX partners, so they should get priority on them

I have never understood why pilots in general are so damn greedy. Senior pilots seem to find any way possible to screw the junior guys. I appreciate that everyone is finally willing to hold the line on scope and not sell out junior pilots at the regionals. The whole reason why regional airlines exist is senior guys screwing the young.

I would support a 20% paycut at the WB CA level if it meant that money would go to increase regional FO and captain rates. They are way underpaid. We are not. Lets stop trying to screw junior people even more than they already are

Wow! How about you support bringing the regional airplanes to mainline and paying everyone a mainline rate.

Regarding jumpseat: obviously your commute hasn’t been downgraded to Express. Lots of fun watching a jumpseat get yanked from you at the last minute because a new hire regional FO has to get to work on the airplane your company owns on a route your company used to operate.

Please stay away from Union work!

rp2pilot 07-16-2018 10:57 AM


Originally Posted by CALFO (Post 2635919)
Wow! How about you support bringing the regional airplanes to mainline and paying everyone a mainline rate.

Regarding jumpseat: obviously your commute hasn’t been downgraded to Express. Lots of fun watching a jumpseat get yanked from you at the last minute because a new hire regional FO has to get to work on the airplane your company owns on a route your company used to operate.

Please stay away from Union work!

YOUR commute to work is NOT everybody else's problem. Stop whining. You choose to live where you live. I don't whine about having to drive across the GWB for a LGA trip, but the guys on Long Island don't have to deal with that. It can take 2 hours to drive the 16 miles from the GWB to LGA; it comes with the territory. Put on your big boy pants and act like an adult.

Skgradney 07-16-2018 11:06 AM

Very interesting purchase...what's really going on?


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