Systemwide PPU
 

About 40 PPU trips today alone, systemwide, for just 737 FOs. Not sure what the Max delivery rate is, but aren't all 161 for growth? I'm not sure we could staff a 100 seater if we bought one now. The interview tempo would be insane. Really surprised an E195 order hasn't already been announced, but perhaps some seat lock protections are being negotiated first? Next couple years here should be interesting.

PPU---Premium Pay Pickup?

Yes.



Started noticing PPU offers 2 days out now on the early show trips too. This summer must have been a dream come true for the senior NB workaholic FOs.

I know a EWR 320/FO year 3 pay.

He did $31K+ in July and $25K in June.

The early shows are the key. Cant use a reserve on day 1 before 10am.

I haven't had a single successful trade for the entire month of august. I am pretty sure people are going to self help all month long.

I counted a senior 737 FO’s credit for July at 242. Some guys haven’t flown a straight time trip in over 2 months.

Assuming 12 days off (contract min), and 18 workdays, that’s works out to 13.45 hours of credit per day. I’m not buying it.

Contract days off minimum is 10. Its only 12 for reserves and line building. Lineholders can pick up trips and only have 10 days off.

Some people are so clueless it’s comical. You don’t know what you don’t know. Sorry.

Yeah, I’ve only averaged 110 hours a month since Jan. :rolleyes:


Yup, I was thinking scheduled. Still works out to 12.1 hours a day. So unless said 242 hour credit got trips worth 6+ hours per day for the entire month, still not buying it when the average credit per day is around 5.3 for NB fleet.

Roger that. 110 a month is bush btw, certainly nothing to brag about in the players club.

Imagine you have a four-day, 24 credit hour trip on your schedule, SRM comes along, they buy it so you can cover a three-day, 18 credit hour trip. You're banking 42 hours for three days work; six hours of work for seven hours of pay, per day. Times two, of course. And that rolls one of your 'off days' into a 'paid day'. If things line up just right you might end up with more than 12 days at home - and getting paid for all of them.

So, its not impossible to reach that brass ring. And the guys holding weekends off, the ones who can pick up the 100% trips in the seniority window, or are at the top of the SRM list are not holding average credit lines to start with, they're working down to Aruba and deadheading back for 10+ credit a day.

I enjoy my days off, that’s maintaining 15-16 off. It’s enough to plow into my PRAP and savings in my effort to have the option to retire as soon as possible. It’s a marathon not a sprint.

Done the SRM with conflict, highest I’ve ever heard of was a notorious EWR cap I flew with that banked 190 working his ass off. Anyone on the gup knows him. I’ve flown with the hustlers, never once heard of any of them getting conflict multiple times in a month or breaking 200 hours.

To say that guys don’t break 200 is pure insanity. You can fly to 100 hard in 30 obviously. Throw a lot of soft time in there, then take that number, and multiply it by 2, as many players haven’t seen a straight time trip in a couple months. Enjoy your days off.

I credited 79 hours in 5 days this week btw. Pull out your calculator and figure that one out.

For June and July I only flew 2 trips that weren't PPU, reassignment add pay, or some sort of busted pairing with deadhead deviations on same day I could swing. If not for some circumstances last month that had me home instead of hustling, I could have legit cleared 35k+. Perhaps 40k, but I quit counting. I'm on 3rd yr pay, and no embellishments whatsoever. I have not seen it like this in my 3 years here, and I have to assume the mentality from the company is to just get through August and things will settle down. As it stands right now though, the can keeps getting kicked down the road in some categories triggering those drops with conflict. Was like this a couple years ago at Delta actually, and at first I was all googly eyed with the stories from my bros. Then after seeing this place for the first 2 years I thought they were standard pilot embellishments... Not this year though. On the one hand, I guess a squirrel should try to get as many nuts as he can when the gettins good, but I'd rather have the company hire properly and sit back with 70hrs and 18days off. For those who are willing to hump it though, a senior NB FO living within an hour of a new hire base can probably do some serious w2 damage.

I think we're on the cusp of some solid seniority list expansion. Fingers crossed for the future, but right now this growth plan is working.

You can do that now!! :confused: Its not based on the companies hiring plans. Its what your priorities are. And I guess right now the squirrel is trying to acquire as many nuts as possible!!:rolleyes: No need to feel bad! ;)

Yeah, so, you haven't thought much about my statement. Gotta love APC though, home of the immediate spears for anyone not like themselves.

So, if the company staffs up properly, it'll create more seats in higher paying cats, like capt and WB fo. Additionally, it won't force the LPA up so high. I haven't seen a PBS award less than 85 hrs in a year. Last month, 90 freakin hours. And I can't just fly 70 hours if i want to, that would mean we'd have reserve coverage allowing me to drop. I've seen the pool display negative before the 24th even hits so how we doing there. If you saw my w2 for the last 2 years, you'd know I'm not the squirrel type. My ideal world would be a 70hr 18 day off pbs award of which we could drop and trade. Go up to 90 if you want, but don't award me 90 from the get go with "no coverage" available to do a thing about it.

Can't blame management in Chicago. Who could have ever imagined in Nov. 16, A Trump White House economy hitting on all 9
cylinders and everybody and his (insert gender), would be buying tickets? Certainly not Oscar.

I don’t think this summer is the new norm. We didn’t hire last year and now they are paying for it. But we have every sim filled now for the foreseeable future. Last summer was nothing like this, and I’ll be it calms down once more bodies hit the line.

Every day except one in July I flew as VDO. 92% on the bus in ORD and I credited 150 hours.

You didn't understand my response. :eek: One of the problems with context of a post on APC. If I understood you correctly, in one breath you said I'm banking a whole bunch of nuts (money). Then in the next breath you said I wish they would go back to staffing the airline. I bid for min time the highest "MIN" value in my base for as long as I can remember was 75 hrs. So I don't have to pick up high time line and its a high time base (IAH737) My only point was you DONT have to pick up PP time. You are CHOOSING to do so! ;) I don't have ANY issue with you doing that! If fact some times I may even try it myself! Enjoy it, do what you want just don't complain about staffing since it sounds a little hypocritical after drinking from the fountain. :cool:

Hatters are gonna say no way . However met a guy last week on the jumpseat flight i was operating.

Capped out 756 FO , July did 260 hours of credit. Said it was his highest ever.

48 ish grand I believe.

He explained how he got most of it . Additionally simply good luck and timing being at the right place and right time. Including getting bought off many trips.

His gross for last year def exceeds most Airbus Ca’s I fly with.

From what I gathered he didn’t have much of a family so he is always hustling. I would guess min days off each month.

Hard to throttle back when one gets a taste of money like that. Now he has a new goal to beat.

260 hrs at capped out pay is a lot more than 48ish. Unless we're talking net and living in California :(

186 * 260 = 48360

Just swapped out a 15 hour 3 day for a 21:30 hour 4 day with 100% ADD pay. That’s 28 more hours of pay for one extra day of work.

If that’s the way they want to run this business, who am I to complain?

Can you ppu during the 12th-18th while bids are being ran for FO’s? I know usually CCS puts a freeze on trades. Just wondering if the crew desk will manually process the ppu if you call?

I think they are only frozen for the last few days of the month.

Oh I thought I read Captain. My bad.

Yup I retract my previous statements. I’m on glideslope (but won’t get there) to do close to 300 hours this month, and I’m not even one of the hustlers, they just keep SRMing w/ conflict and throwing 100% add pay on trips in open time that I can then pick up with new found days off. Never would’ve imagined they’d open up the wallet like this. It’s crazy, squirreling it all away for winter! Kudos to the guys killing it.

300 hundo in a month !?!? My kids will here stories of you !!

Only thing I have to add is for folks to be checking their pay for these premium trips. I’m perpetually on reserve but my last four trips have been VDO trips and three of them (two 2-day trips and one 3-day trip) had the add pay screwed up.

Agree.

Just picked up a 3 day Trip for tomorrow at 100% and the add pay is over $300 less then the trip yet the hours shown on the pay register are the same.

It takes them a few days to catch up and adjust it, I usually wait until the trip is finished, then check my register.

Ok thanks for the info. I’ll check in a few days.

It’s actually my first PPU ever so learning the nuances.

I set my phone up today to notify me of premium pay trips for the next couple of days (starting the 14th). I set it up to show ORD, IAH, DEN, EWR, & DCA. I snagged one out of ORD, but forgot to cancel the notification while I worked outside all afternoon.


I have deleted over 100 notifications after my pick up, and I just had two more pop up since I started writing this.

I have the same time of alerts set up ...
It’s cra

Sfo bus fo for tomorrow: 15 open trips, 7 already at 100%. Only 2 or 3 reserves available.

May-Aug, and we’re not even finished with Aug yet...both seats in EWR 73, guys/gals have been getting paid. This summer has been highly lucrative. I might buy a boat! LOL....