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worstpilotever 09-09-2018 06:53 AM

Napping pilots cause concern
 
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...lines-13215392

Discuss.

For me it’s not the napping that is most concerning.

JoePatroni 09-09-2018 06:54 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 2670965)
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/s...lines-13215392

Discuss.

For me it’s not the napping that is most concerning.

Required by the FAR’s, what is so concerning?

Airway 09-09-2018 07:01 AM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 2670967)
Required by the FAR’s, what is so concerning?

Doesn't the 757 business rest seat have a curtain? Maybe I'm thinking of the 767.

Smooth at FL450 09-09-2018 07:03 AM

5 stripes? He must be extra super important!

speedbrakearmed 09-09-2018 07:04 AM

Anyone take a look at that photo of his uniform, the ole 5 striper epaulettes lol

Slop 09-09-2018 07:08 AM

I was wondering about the 5th stripe. Was this a thing of yesteryear? Like the guys who still wear their UAL or CAL wings on their coat?

captjns 09-09-2018 07:14 AM

Probably Russian hacking:D. Fifth stripe:rolleyes:?

JoePatroni 09-09-2018 07:43 AM


Originally Posted by Airway (Post 2670971)
Doesn't the 757 business rest seat have a curtain? Maybe I'm thinking of the 767.

No it does not.

Brahma Fear 09-09-2018 08:06 AM

Most of the time there will be a passenger sitting in the seat next to him. It’s a bad set up. The article was written to make a mountain out of a mole hill but it was only a matter of time until this caused some bad publicity.

worstpilotever 09-09-2018 08:19 AM

Looks like I have to be on the hunt for some 6 stripe epaulets.

UAL T38 Phlyer 09-09-2018 09:17 AM

Corrected headline:

“Brit Tabloid Admits Knowing Nothing of Transatlantic Flying; Confesses that ‘Aviation Experts’ Cited were Drunk Pub Patrons.”

disco inferno 09-09-2018 09:21 AM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 2670973)
5 stripes? He must be extra super important!

I noticed that too. A super senior check airman with a couple of shuttle landings no doubt.

filejw 09-09-2018 09:40 AM

Whats really sad is the aviation expert being so far off the mark. US airlines almost always use a 3 man crew on the North Atlantic although i have done BOS AMS with just 2 crew. As far as being in First Class goes I did it all the time both Atlantic and Pacific if a seat was available and I felt like a movie.

Floyd 09-09-2018 09:44 AM

Time for a highly compensated and recently hired chief communications officer to earn HIS stripes.

Flytolive 09-09-2018 09:45 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 2670965)
For me it’s not the napping that is most concerning.


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 2671007)
Looks like I have to be on the hunt for some 6 stripe epaulets.

Looks like your avatar is appropriate unless you aren't a pilot at all. Definitely a troll though.


Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer (Post 2671021)
Corrected headline: “Brit Tabloid Admits Knowing Nothing of Transatlantic Flying; Confesses that ‘Aviation Experts’ Cited were Drunk Pub Patrons.”

Perfect.

Airway 09-09-2018 10:10 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671037)
That brings up a question I have. Are pilots allowed to drink in uniform if they’re done flying for the next several days?

Is this a serious question

ItnStln 09-09-2018 10:12 AM


Originally Posted by Airway (Post 2671044)
Is this a serious question

Yes, why wouldn’t it be?

liveupthere 09-09-2018 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671037)
That brings up a question I have. Are pilots allowed to drink in uniform if they’re done flying for the next several days?

Go away...

ItnStln 09-09-2018 10:18 AM


Originally Posted by liveupthere (Post 2671048)
Go away...

You first!

Broncofan 09-09-2018 10:21 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671037)
That brings up a question I have. Are pilots allowed to drink in uniform if they’re done flying for the next several days?

Well that's the dumbest question of the week

worstpilotever 09-09-2018 10:26 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671037)
That brings up a question I have. Are pilots allowed to drink in uniform if they’re done flying for the next several days?

Yes. Yes it is, try it and let us all know how it goes.

ItnStln 09-09-2018 10:27 AM


Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 2671053)
Well that's the dumbest question of the week

It really isn’t.

ItnStln 09-09-2018 10:28 AM


Originally Posted by worstpilotever (Post 2671056)
Yes. Yes it is, try it and let us all know how it goes.

I’ll go on YouTube Live when I do!

robthree 09-09-2018 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671037)
That brings up a question I have. Are pilots allowed to drink in uniform if they’re done flying for the next several days?

Of course you're allowed to drink in uniform. Its still a free country. At the moment anyway.

No regulations that I am aware of, or would ever willingly comply with, require you to take off your hat, blazer, tie, wings, etc. before you open the fridge at home and grab a cold one. Forcristsake. Dumbest question ever.

say again 09-09-2018 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by ItnStln (Post 2671058)
It really isn’t.

It really is! :rolleyes:

Dave Fitzgerald 09-09-2018 11:42 AM

A few fishy things about this article. 5 stripes. My guess is the shirt and a few other things were photo shopped, and they screwed it up.

Normal SOP ops...pax were shocked? Just goes to prove, we are under scrutiny all the time, even sleeping. Drive by picture? Cheap shot. I'm guessing the pax weren't regulars in first. So, media stretching the truth a bit? Taking a few liberties? Surprising. Moral of the story, be careful what you do in public, we are being watched at all times. Even if its normal SOP ops.

UAL wants to short change us on crew rest facilities, then they have to deal with the fallout. Geez, at least give us a curtain.

HuggyU2 09-09-2018 11:59 AM

I have an acquaintance (retired now) who had 5-stripe epaulets made and wore near the end of his career. He referred to himself as "Commodore". It was just a joke.


Originally Posted by Broncofan (Post 2671053)
Well that's the dumbest question of the week

Not a dumb question unless he had stipulated "commercial pilot", instead of "pilot". I know plenty of pilots that drink in uniform.

symbian simian 09-09-2018 12:42 PM

When i worked in the EU 15 years ago it was totally fine to have your crew meal at the end of duty in full uniform in the airport restaurant and it would include wine/beer. It is a more mature approach to assume someone drinking must be done working than to assume if you aren't allowed to drink in uniform you will never have a drunk pilot.

tomgoodman 09-09-2018 12:56 PM

You can make a phony photo too! :D

https://www.pilotshop.com/catalog/pspages/egolets.php

Sunvox 09-09-2018 01:01 PM

Can u say "click bait". Sadly I admit I'm just as guilty, but at least I closed the page as soon as it asked me to answer a question to read the article.

crxpilot 09-09-2018 02:12 PM

https://www.amazon.com/Egolets-Stripe-Novelty-Pilot-Epaulets/dp/B00V1QFOT4

Regularguy 09-09-2018 02:21 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 2671086)
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UAL wants to short change us on crew rest facilities, then they have to deal with the fallout. Geez, at least give us a curtain.

I believe I’m correct that the LUAL used to require a curtain around the crew rest seat, before bunks?

Now we know why.

We live in a world of instant news, even the non-news kind.

APC225 09-09-2018 02:56 PM

Next: a time lapse video of a captain on a break NOT sleeping at all, followed by a cry of UAL being unsafe because the the pilot wasn’t rested for the landing.

Airway 09-09-2018 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 2671156)
Next: a time lapse video of a captain on a break NOT sleeping at all, followed by a cry of UAL being unsafe because the the pilot wasn’t rested for the landing.

Exactly. It this were a Delta flight, the headline would have been "HERO PILOT TAKES PRECAUTIONARY HEROIC NAP BEFORE LANDING".

And if it were a CNN article, there'd be a mention of and 5 links to the Dr. Dao story.

Slop 09-09-2018 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450 (Post 2670973)
5 stripes? He must be extra super important!



http://a66.tinypic.com/vglpq1.jpg

TransWorld 09-09-2018 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by tomgoodman (Post 2671123)

Waiting for someone to come through with one stripe. See if anyone will notice or comment.

SonicFlyer 09-09-2018 08:20 PM


Originally Posted by crxpilot (Post 2671144)
https://www.amazon.com/Egolets-Stripe-Novelty-Pilot-Epaulets/dp/B00V1QFOT4

But why do they only go to 5? Why not 6? :confused:

I like BIG Bus 09-10-2018 03:36 AM

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/PositiveEm...restricted.gif

Why not 11

HuggyU2 09-10-2018 07:53 AM

So... they're upset about a third pilot sleeping in the cabin.
So, I'm sure they wouldn't be thrilled about one pilot on a 2-man crew napping in the cockpit.

Yet, somehow, single-pilot airliners are going to be a-ok with the public. Uh huh... right.

Airhoss 09-10-2018 08:59 AM

Some very real parallels between that article, the general public, the press and the airline industry and this Monte Python scene....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g


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