and so I asked Oscar a question...
10-15-2018, 06:06 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
Pretty sure United hasn’t hired anyone with 750 hours since before 2014. Pesky legal details and all that.
10-15-2018, 06:08 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by Punkpilot48
Pretty sure United hasn’t hired anyone with 750 hours since before 2014. Pesky legal details and all that.
"OBAP, WIA, NGPA are directly running our hiring program and flooding our classes with the blacks, women, and the gays! All of them with less than a thousand hours, wet commercial certificates, and they don't even know what a bearing pointer does! I know, if you look at our new hire pictures, they aren't showing, but that's because they hide them in the BACK of the pictures so that we don't all see what's going on! Arrrgggghhh! SAD...!"
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10-15-2018, 06:19 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by awax
I'm not sure why you're so indignant about Oscar's response. The good ole boy network that brought us Friends of Fred and all the other nonsense was the result of "silver bullet" programs, nepotism, and "it's not who ya know, it's how ya blow who ya know".
Are you butthurt because Oscar is briefed a bit better than you anticipated and knows the good 'ole boy network is the path to organizational dysfunction?
HR will own the hiring process and UAL alone will be responsible for the duds. Now it's up to line captains to either mentor the ****birds and get em up to speed, or bounce 'em like a looter at a riot using probationary reports.
Are you butthurt because Oscar is briefed a bit better than you anticipated and knows the good 'ole boy network is the path to organizational dysfunction?
HR will own the hiring process and UAL alone will be responsible for the duds. Now it's up to line captains to either mentor the ****birds and get em up to speed, or bounce 'em like a looter at a riot using probationary reports.
10-15-2018, 06:27 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by detpilot
Come on, don't ruin a good angry rant with details such as "truth" and "facts!"
"OBAP, WIA, NGPA are directly running our hiring program and flooding our classes with the blacks, women, and the gays! All of them with less than a thousand hours, wet commercial certificates, and they don't even know what a bearing pointer does! I know, if you look at our new hire pictures, they aren't showing, but that's because they hide them in the BACK of the pictures so that we don't all see what's going on! Arrrgggghhh! SAD...!"
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"OBAP, WIA, NGPA are directly running our hiring program and flooding our classes with the blacks, women, and the gays! All of them with less than a thousand hours, wet commercial certificates, and they don't even know what a bearing pointer does! I know, if you look at our new hire pictures, they aren't showing, but that's because they hide them in the BACK of the pictures so that we don't all see what's going on! Arrrgggghhh! SAD...!"
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https://youtu.be/ZTT1qUswYL0
Your statement reminds me of a scene in one of the most iconic movies ever made. Here you go.
10-15-2018, 07:08 AM
#35
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I’m sorry, but a 2100TT civilian pilot doesn’t really belong here. Especially, since they haven’t upgraded. There are still a lot of pilots in the regionals that were casualties of the dark decade and have thousands of hours of experience. They are also good pilots and great employees. I know some of them and for whatever reason, they cannot get a phone call. They want to get out of RPP, but can’t get a phone call.
10-15-2018, 11:50 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by Floyd
You had me right up til "probationary reports.". Our first point of contact with issues that cannot be handled in the cockpit is professional standards. Keep the Flight Office out of it.
Any CLR or other behavior issue is great to punt over to ProStan. If a probationary pilot can't fly, I mean seriously slipped through the cracks at TK and truly doesn't belong here (like the OP states) I have no problem memorializing that in a probationary report.
That said, it's a Captian's job to mentor, encourage, yada yada. But if you spend 3-4 days with a guy who's just not making the cut, what in the **** will ProStan do other than hide the deficiencies of a pilot who might hurt my family?
10-15-2018, 12:28 PM
#38
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Just flew with a training Alpa guy on my last trip. We discussed the 3 resignations we had recently. 2 of the 3 were guys that had been at XYZ regional flying the same airplane for 20 years . He said they have a very hard time with some of them , teaching the old dog new tricks. , they don’t get the material well in some cases. Said the younger ones asorb our training better , meaning ones who had a recent type rating etc.
Other guy was a military retiree and had a rough time in training.
All 3 resigned
Other guy was a military retiree and had a rough time in training.
All 3 resigned
10-15-2018, 04:38 PM
#40
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Originally Posted by baseball
I am still seeing people get through the process that haven't earned it. No reason to see a 2100 hour pilot, never upgraded in the regionals, with pure civilian time, get hired on...… something to me is a miss when I see 17,000 Regional Captains and 4000 hour military evaluator pilots with 5 tours in Afghanistan/Iraq and 13 air medals not get an interview.
At the end of the day I don't get it, especially when other airlines do rely heavily on internal recommendations.
The people that brought us "phrends of pfred" do exist, they exist here at UAL in present day form, just called a different thing. As long as there are "associations" of different sorts helping their own, it is what is it. The NGPA comes to mind. OBAP comes to mind.
At the end of the day I don't get it, especially when other airlines do rely heavily on internal recommendations.
The people that brought us "phrends of pfred" do exist, they exist here at UAL in present day form, just called a different thing. As long as there are "associations" of different sorts helping their own, it is what is it. The NGPA comes to mind. OBAP comes to mind.
When you see someone that you think might be a member of OBAP or NGPA, for one reason or another, do you assume they weren't qualified to be hired here? Do you automatically assume they are these 2100 hour pilots you speak about? Even while not knowing their actual background or skill level?
Do you think it's possible that folks with mindsets like yours created the need for these organizations to exist in the first place?
Lastly, every pilot I know here that came here directly from the regional FO ranks are some of the sharpest folks I know here. Hours alone don't tell the whole story.
