The other variable that plays into this is the percentage that each employee group gets.

My recollection is that UA was really pressuring other work groups to adjust their percentage down in recent negotiations. Not sure if they were successful with that and if those changes have gone into effect, but if so, it would explain the profit sharing set aside not moving in lock step with the earnings.

Let me remind you that delta has 2 captains on the WBs
We have more but they have slightly more captains

As far as their payroll been 500 mil less is because they utilize their pilots better.

Let’s compare fair

They may have more Captains per aircraft, but I don't believe they have more Captains total.

They do 2 Capt and 2 FOs on double augmented legs, we only do so on over 16 hour flights.

So, while a good percentage of their flights on the 777 and 350 are over 12 hours, it certainly is not all, so some portion of the staffing model is identical.

Certainly we at UA would love to have 2 + 2, on our flights over 12, but I definitely would not trade WB fleets to get it!!!!!!

Delta has some built in advantages, that we do not have. Their JV language is much more advantageous relative to us, for profitability. Yes, they have more Captains to airplane ratio, but we have many more wide body airplanes than they do. Obviously their contract language with regard to profit sharing is better than ours based on their business plan. But probably the biggest advantage that they have, has nothing to do with their pilots. They only have two unionized work groups. Their pilots and dispatchers. That’s it!!!

All of which I would not trade for relaxation of scope. I’m ok with more wide bodies and less profit sharing.

A new hire at UAL today vs a DAL anew hire... the DAL pilot will need that PS advantage to make up for the career earnings that will suffer do to their JV outsourcing and lack of wide bodies.

How many city pairs use two captains? Two or three? We use two on BOM in the winter too.

hahahahaha. The DOW went up 200% under Obama from March '09 to year end 2016. My Bfund Quadrupled. I became an Obamanaire. The merger, the record contract $$$, and a 10% unemployment rate went to 4.5%.....all on Obama's watch (but hey, unemployment fell another small % under Trump). We can now watch oil climb, the deficit balloon (tax cut), and our PS check shrink. ENJOY brother. Winning.

Not to mention the lack of pay and increase in expenses for their first year. Since they get new hire pay until off of IOE and they have to buy their first uniforms. I don’t think that they still have to buy housing while in airplane training.

Valid point. A UAL newhire takes a pay cut when they finish IOE and are released to the line.

93 hours, plus $50/day in per diem, plus 16% PRAP, plus hotel, plus positive space to/from home on days off, uniforms paid for, etc. DAL really screws their new guys on that end.

You can thank UALALPA and the pilot group for looking out for the half wingers. That right there should speak volumes.

I couldn’t agree more!!! I am truly lucky to have been hired by UAL!!! I love where I work and who I work with.