Some of your “zombies” even go to regionals...tough to believe, I know.

I know you’re talking generalizations but this particular instance is about a retiree. He’s done.

There will always be pilots willing to give on scope. How do you think a good chunk scope got to be where it is?

Unfortunately the too much colonel not enough captain syndrome is alive and well with some of our newly hired O6’s. It’s not about liking or not liking anybody. It about a cultural mind shift that some of these people need to make. Blind devotion to leadership in particular.

Those who are clueless when it comes to why we have contract we do (including scope) are typically those who are trying to cut in line for management jobs. Fortunately they’re in the minority, but you generally waste your breath trying to explain anything about unionism to them.

haha didn't catch the autocorrect. I had several former mil in my class. most were gone in less than 9 months. but I would bet if you spent any measurable time at the regionals you are not volunteering to give up scope like the OP said.

Well here you go, making huge generalizations and preaching unionism seems a bit weak considering a large amount of UAX was conducted during downtown was by non-union pilots who vote crap undercutting contract after contract. Not helpless as you suggest. Ask a XJT pilot and they get it!

Right, I was talking about a guy who did active duty time and then joins a reserve/guard unit to finish out. agreed. If he's done, he's done.

To finish that thought.....Simply following "leadership" is what makes the military effective. However, in the civilian side, we have two kinds of leadership that must be understood. More education needs to take place for and on behalf of military and former military civilian employees.

Let's begin...……

Dear retired/former military employee. Hi, my name is Oscar Munoz, I am the boss at United Airlines. Welcome to the civilian sector and to United Airlines. There is a union on property that negotiates and maintains the contract on your behalf. That union is called ALPA. My good friend Scott Kirby has been placed in a leadership role in flight operations. His job is to trick, and manipulate ALPA in order to squeeze out every last dollar out of flight operations. ALPA's job is to protect the pilot group from Scott Kirby and his trickery.


You have two bosses. One boss runs the operational side of the company. The other boss runs the terms and conditions as to how, when, and where the pilot group does it's job.


On the operational side, we want you to come to work on time, fly a safe, standard airplane and don't get in trouble on an HR related foolishness.


On the union side, we understand you will and should fly the contract.



I guess that should cover it....

the generalization I made is most RJ folks want to see flying returned to mainline. I would say 90% of RJ drivers want that. Unless you are a lifer it would only make sense to want that. As far as undercutting goes that is why managemt wants the regional model to exist. Whenever any pilot group tries to improve something, their mainline partner will shift flying to other carriers. There is not much that could be done by ALPA unless they got all the regionals under the same flying contract like the UAW. but then another airline would pop up and undercut again. That is not the fault of the pilots. And to my knowledge the only non union regional is Skywest. (and an alpa drive is getting started there)

Would it be possible to simply take the regionals and put them under their own "union umbrella"??

I get it. all, and I mean all flying done in-house to include regionals, one airline, one union, one bargaining unit.

or

separate companies and separate unions