There were absolutely 2008 hires at CAL.

Already a thing. Some of EWR's best day trips are flown by out of base pilots laying over in NYC. You know, because the schedule is optimized company-wide, not base-by-base. So EWR pilots get 30 hour layovers in DSM, MCI, and TUL instead of FL and Caribbean turns. :eek:


ORD, DEN and IAH have a lot more gates then EWR. Take back scope and there will be more flying than you know what to do with.:)

Like the EWR 756 guys coming out West doing the good day time Hawaii flying and we get all nighters or 6am departures to the West Coast from EWR and zero Europe. Seems reasonable. :rolleyes:

Still don't have their pass travel longevity back. Shameful and the it falls on deaf ears at the Union hall.

I know a lot of 1996-2001 UAL hires that would like to have their pilot seniority longevity back.

I thought everyone was made whole on longevity for pay and vacation purposes, except for some LCAL folks who took leaves of absences after the Sep 08 furlough ? Or are you making reference to SLI ?

Everyone has it the worst just ask. Like the dude moaning about TDY’s to EWR 777 in December. Nevermind last year there were 40-50 TDY’s in SFO 777 November/December with a huge chunk coming from EWR.

That was beyond comical to read on the other forum! Hope crew planning opens a new BES for the poor fella that has his December RUINED due to 10 TDY’s

Soooo....snapshot is out. But I.....digress? I guess?

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Not often you see a 737 CA on one coast bid 737 FO on the opposite one.

Ok, I the Jr CA on this snapshot is SFO 737, and has seniority #10376. How does that compare to historical numbers? I see in May of this year that seat went to #9626, but I don't see valuable data points before that. Anybody been tracking that stuff?

And a lot of the exact same hire date CAL pilots would like to have their relative seniority back as well. When you merge, it all goes into the blender and we got what the arbitrator thought was fair. I moved on weeks after the SLI. My comment you replied to was literally just pointing out that CAL didn’t hire in 2008.

I know said Captain very well and after having just talked to him can confirm that was a either a bidding error or a system error and will be corrected by the next snapshot.

Yes Continental hired pilots at the beginning of 2008. As late as March 2008 iirc.


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The junior 737 CA for SFO is 10376 on this first snapshot! Any idea of DOH?

I’d guess early 2014. Maybe late 2013.

To be precise july 2014.

Anybody have new hire numbers for 2014 or 2013.... I can only find data for 2015 and out.

:)

Really? Wow. I stand corrected! My apologies.

You are correct, Lcal did hire in 2007-2008 and those pilots were furloughed just like Luals 07-08 hires were furloughed. And now many of those cal 07-08 hires are hundreds of numbers senior to me, a LUAL 2007 hire.

^thats not a complaint, just a statement of fact.

Or perhaps collusion😂

Txs FN for the site info!

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2012 = 0
2013 = 398
2014 = 381
2015 = 872
2016 = 522
2017 = 290
2018 (Jan-Aug) 311

Council 34 email today says we’ve hired 462 and had 65 furlough returns through October of this year.

There are also four remaining new hire classes scheduled in Nov/Dec.

Interesting day 2 snapshot; the junior DCA, EWR, LAX, and SFO 737 CA (and EWR 320 CA) are all within 100 numbers of each other at the 10,000 mark.

For those in the know...
Why is LAX 756 Captain so much more senior than LAX 737 Captain?

What I hear from from others is "essentially the same pay"... "West coast 757 flying is not near a good as the 737 flying"... "I'd rather go to Hawaii in the 737 than EWR in the 757 for the same pay"...etc....

While the aircraft certainly has a roomier cockpit and nice to fly (according to those that have), how does that account for such a steep difference in Captain seniority between the fleets?

One leg per day vs multiple

I've looked at the lines, and there are plenty of 737 and 756 trips that are 1-2 legs per day.

I'm sure the 737 has an average of more legs per day, but I find it hard to believe that creates a difference of 2500 numbers of seniority when it is possible to get trips that fly 1-2 legs per day on the 737.

Terrain Inop, are you on the 756 and is that why you did it?

The one leg to and from Newark gets painfully old after awhile though.

Ego amongst other things you have mentioned.

Have you seen the 737 cockpit?

Ever so slightly larger than the 757 production line😳

So many guys I’ve flown with in LAX/SFO always seem to tell random people in airports or out on layovers that they fly the 767. Which is interesting because we don’t see 767’s in SFO... sounds like ego to me.

The biggest reason is that our (756) blended rate is artificially high because of the 764. So if you’re going to be on reserve in both categories, the 756 will pay much higher. Another reason is that the 757 is a much superior airplane compared to the Guppy. Much less fatiguing!!! I’ve flown both, so I can attest to that.

It’s not “artificially” higher b/c of blended rate. It’s just higher. It’s one fleet and from the west coast you could find yourself on the -300 or even -400 if on reserve, or even with a line - charters, mx repos, etc. Is the 737 fleet blend artificially lower if you never see the -700? Apart from that I agree, holy cow is it a better cockpit!

The problem is that most Captains go non-current on the -400 for at least three months because they never see it. The West Coast never sees a 764. In fact the only 764 at a West Coast base is Delta’s in SFO. We only have 16 764s and much more Guppy-700s. Almost impossible to not fly that airplane, especially on reserve.

My comment about the 756 blended rate being artificially high is two fold. The 756 fleet is the only fleet which the blended rate is higher than all but one of the specific airplane rates. Also, the 764 shouldn’t pay the same rate as a 777-300ER.

Guys tell people they fly the “737” when in fact they are flying the guppy. Sounds like the same thing to me.

Wait a minute... an O2pilot making fun of a 737.

I'm still laughing at that one!

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Then neither should the 787-8. Our pay banding is a joke and so is Delta’s.

So should we pay less for the 764 and 787-8? I’m sure the company would love that.