Bluewaffle

We clearly interpret that quote differently.

Itsajob

I think Kirby was right. We will eventually be competitive with the others. We hold firm on scope. Delta and American do the same. We will eventually get a 100ish seat jet on at mainline allowing us to have as many big rj’s as Delta. Bam. A competitive scope clause with the others. Kirby wants the rj’s that Delta has without doing what they did to get them. If he wants to be competitive, then he can just compete and not try to change the rules.

Sniper66

50 A220s and 50 A321s firm order with as many options swap for the A350s
Coming near you soon

Flytolive

Then you haven't been listening to what he has been saying every chance he gets, and perhaps you should review the RJ scope at his last employer.

Weren't you the one who said United had no interest in buying Expressjet a couple weeks before they did?

Bluewaffle

I guess you’re not familiar with negotiating in public. Kirby knows he has no cards. Hes still gotta play the game though.

If you want to get technical, the shell company Mana Air bought XJT. Last thing I wanted to see was ASA guys sticking around with some false hope of some flow thru.

Itsajob

That would be great, but it doesn’t do anything about the RR contract for the engines. The company would want the neo and RR isn’t making engines for it.

baseball

Kirby is pretty shrewd. He seems to be able to play poker pretty well even though he's got no cards. Here's what I see. I think he keeps learning, and keeps adapting. He has lessons learned from his last gig.

Kirby is prepared to "run the act." He will run the RLA game for as long as he can in hopes he can achieve a labor cost advantage over his competitors.

He knows if he does this he will achieve a significant LCA over the others, and then be in a position to force them to re-write scope for the entire industry. If we cave, on the next negotiating cycle we would have cause a domino effect that would set the industry back another 30 years in terms of the "value of a pilot", and the "value of the profession."

I would be curious to see Mr. Kirby's contract. I would love to know what kind of incentives he has baked into the cake. I wonder if his contract is laden with bonuses for this and bonuses for that.... You know, like you rush for 1,000 yards you get a Lamborghini or something. Gotta be some kind of incentive.....

Floyd

Self preservation.

Sniper66

Airbus will pay the cancellation fee to RR

Flytolive

You don't seem to be familiar with much of anything about this process, but your projection is mildly amusing.

Well said.

We are in the front of the pilot pattern bargaining for a change, have a unified pilot group and MEC, a relatively good contract, a growing, profitable airline and a good economy. It doesn't get much better than this. If we give an inch on scope shame on us.