DALPA opened with a goal to improve scope for their pilots. UALPA just says no change to current scope. There has been plenty of comprise on that big ticket item. No more.

All deals are reached with give and take on both sides in one form or another. I trust our union has our best interest in mind but it takes time to get there. Just part of the process.

Let's get that sky-writing airplane up and running and write FUPM every day above Willis Tower in that beautiful Chicago skyline. Time for some FUPM wrist bands and bag tags and some hats. Hats would be cool.

It's too early to go on the offensive. I trust Insler for the most part. His results in the grievance process have probably been the best in the history of the industry. I am not exaggerating when I say that. Kudos to him and his staff.

However, Oscar remains disconnected intentionally. 30% of the value of the stock is in labor stability. If we want things to start happening we have to affect what we can affect. So, I agree with you on turning up the heat.

My biggest concern is how the company wastes money. If we want profit sharing we won't get it because of how the company wastes the very cash we save them by operating efficiently, PBS, tight staffing, single engine taxi, etc. That's money from the pilots!

I think it's bad advice (and I hear it allot) call your rep if you want to know what's going on. I disagree. Don't bother your rep. They got enough to do. Plus, you can call 5 different reps and get 5 different opinions and spins on the same subject. Better is to have a weekly negotiating newsletter from the NC and signed by Insler as a defacto member.

FUPM!

That whole FUPM wristband deal sure was embarrassing. It’s hard for management or anyone else to take a group who want to be treated and paid as highly skilled professionals seriously when grown men and women actually parade around with a FU bracelet. We’re our own worst enemy sometimes.

That's because Delta has consistently given up top end scope over the past couple negotiation cycles. They have better low end scope, but that's mainly because Delta Management has decided to park 50 seaters more than our management. But Delta's JV language is also one of the reasons why they're more profitable than we are. If the make inroads on JV scope, their profit sharing will likely take a dip.

I really hope you guys hold the line on scope. DALPA repeated their mistake from the 90s in caving on international scope with the JV language. Now instead of a sky full of RJs replacing their domestic flying there will be a sky full of SkyTeam carriers replacing their international flying. Delta metal is only going to service international gateways like CDG, AMS, LHR, NRT, ICN. Then the SkyTeam partners take over. They have screwed themselves for another generation while their management rakes it in they will be 5 legging it in an Airbus. They can try to negotiate it back all they want unless they are prepared for massive concessions they won't get it. Once that horse has left the barn he ain't coming back in.

But the profit sharing is so amazing!!!! :rolleyes:

Really?

You wouldn't be the same toolbag who threw the female F/O off his flight for wearing one would you? In case you missed the last 30 years at CAL, we we're treated like absolute garbage and our company was finally making decent profits. Raises, work rule changes and retirement improvements were met with managements blank stares.

FUPM bracelets were the net result of all of the above and I sported one from beginning to end. Grown men and women did exist at the time and if you were former CAL, shame on you for not donning one. If you're not, then perhaps you should be better informed before spouting off on here?

Ah yes, Marvin Mainliner. I was sadly mistaken that they'd all left the property.