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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2832231)

You are incorrect Sir. You were not brought back as new-hires, (pay, vacation ect), and the resolution included the wording recalls and UAL furloughees.

Again, lots of misdirected anger and some lack of gratitude on this one. The CAL MEC did the right thing when they didn't really have to and I sometimes wonder how the UAL MEC would have responded given the same circumstances in reverse? How and why you were treated by a few after the RECALL was unfortunate but plenty of us were very pleased to see you back on property and gainfully employed.

To this day I've never heard one recalled UAL furloughee give one iota of thanks to the group that actually got you back to work but after reading the responses on here, I'm not surprised.

As a “U-hire” we were only “allowed” whatever the last pay rate we had at UAL. Vacation bidding, monthly schedule bidding, etc... were all as NEW hires. And I received an official “recall notice” in the mail via FedEx in October 2013... AFTER the SLI was completed, NOT before.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2832231)

Again, lots of misdirected anger and some lack of gratitude on this one. The CAL MEC did the right thing when they didn't really have to and I sometimes wonder how the UAL MEC would have responded given the same circumstances in reverse? How and why you were treated by a few after the RECALL was unfortunate but plenty of us were very pleased to see you back on property and gainfully employed.

To this day I've never heard one recalled UAL furloughee give one iota of thanks to the group that actually got you back to work but after reading the responses on here, I'm not surprised.

Why would they?

The entire thing was covered by the TPA that both sides and the company signed as a result of the merger. All the "hiring" (cough) occurred after it was all ONE company.

It would have been totally different circumstances if LCAL was generously "hiring" UAL pilots absent a merger, but it wasn't. Foot stomper: the merger occurred in 2010, not 2013, so it was LCAL and LUAL, and not CAL and UAL, for a reason.

FWIW, LUAL was also required to do the same as it was a two-way street to mitigate company whipsawing and provide a temporary process until the internal integration was complete.

So yes, we do know what LUAL would do under the circumstances.

If the youngest pilot at CAL or UAL was 30 when the merger occurred in 2010, that means we only have to listen to legacy this or that until 2045. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

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Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2832659)

If the youngest pilot at CAL or UAL was 30 when the merger occurred in 2010, that means we only have to listen to legacy this or that until 2045. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

Right?! Isn’t it getting old? Would be nice if people could just move on. Just like I wish I didn’t have to hear the word “scab” on almost every trip.

How do you get pilots distracted and away from an issue such as scope and outsourced provided lift?

Well, get them to argue with each other over internal issues, THAT’S HOW.

Not that they do, but IF THEY DID, Willis tower would be laughing at this;

“Look, we didn’t even have to instigate it, they can sqaubble over past B.S. all on their own!!!. Gotta find a way to make that happen when contract talks get really juicy, bonuses all around”

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Originally Posted by N6279P (Post 2832684)

Right?! Isn’t it getting old? Would be nice if people could just move on. Just like I wish I didn’t have to hear the word “scab” on almost every trip.

Hopefully you will be one of the luckiest pilots ever that hasn't had to endure a career force majeure event, oil price shock, global recession, strike, merger. Hopefully the company won't hire a "scab" to replace you as you demand scope/raise in the future. Hopefully your management doesn't make a series of strategic blunders causing your company to either teeter near or enter BK protection, force a merger, etc.

And if your 55 and one of these things has happened to you..... I hope your able to find this post and remember how much you hated hearing about the brining up of history that you are being forced to endure.

Perspective is a hell of an educator.