vacancy 19-12 to open 19July
 

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Vacancy opens today

Obligatory wtf no movement in ORD post.

And nothing for a 737 FO. Nada. Zippo.

What, no CLE???

Yawn,

These latest bids seem so underwhelming.

Yeah, yeah, some growth is better than none but for the amount of hoopla they keep putting out about hiring, you’d think these would be way more sizable.

Patience old grasshopper. It has been stated that a few small clean up bids were to take place before the big fall bid.

I think the old way of a extra large bid followed by a series of smaller bids proved to be costly. They weren't managing based on what they could actually train, so they ended up paying out Delayed Activation pay fairly regularly to the pilots they couldn't train.

Now, they are targeting vacancies based on a specific month's training capacity. By no means are they perfect at this, but at least a majority of the folks on the bid will go to training in the month they are targeted for. This is a way better situation for those that care when they are actually going to go to training, as compared to the previous technique.

115 CA bids may be a yawn, but if they keep coming for the next 6-8 months I don't think the 2015/16 hires will be yawning too much while they are in Capt school!!!

Even though the bid states possible training in September it probably won't happen until December or the new year. United's training center is maxed out and will get worse.

The answer is they could award a complete turnover, but the ability to train is what constrains.

And ur vacation still gets canceled which kind of sucks...

This is not true. Much of this bid fills September training. Most of that transition training is not already filled per SSC.

Yup.

And unlike previous years, it will not be one (or two) big MOABs. Both the SSC and company have said to expect a continuous series of bids all though spring.

The goal is to tweak everything to establish and maintain 100% utilization at TK.

I’m still waiting for a training date after the last bid at the end of April. They told me to expect mid to late September, but I think October is looking more likely.

??? Your statement makes no sense.

I personally communicated last Friday (July 12th) with the man responsible for scheduling transition training and there is still a backlog of unassigned training dates from previous bids. In fact those who bid 19-11 are getting training dates in October and later although the bid stated Aug and Sept.

And as is witnessed here on this forum there are those who are still waiting for training.

Statement stands, don't expect to train anytime soon if you bid for this vacancy. Of course if you get to be one of the few who do get a September date fell fortunate. This kind of thinking helps prevent anxiety and disappointment.

kc135, it might be a good idea for you to delete your copy and paste.

That part about unauthorized distribution...

Concur. That’s Flt Ops internal communication and not intended for dissemination on a public forum.

Read the footer on the page.

I would ask that you delete it or request the moderators to do so if past the time out.

Lee

Nope... You’re vacation only gets cancelled if it interferes with training/OE. Otherwise you keep it.

And consolidation, if required.

Lee

Right........:)

Just curious, how long for a new hire to hold ORD at this point?

Looks like the junior 737 FO that got to ORD via a vacancy bid is about 600 numbers from the bottom of the seniority list. That translates into well over a year. (there is one pilot that is junior that got in via a base trade) The junior 320 FO is just under 400 numbers from the bottom of the list, so just under a year on the property.

Now, this Fall/Winter/Spring is supposed to be eye watering on the bid front. Hopefully some of the recently announced used 737-700 and incoming used A319s, will be used in ORD to upgrade from 70 seaters, while 70 seaters upgrade former 50 seat routes, and 50 seaters leave.

I am also hopeful there will be addtional WB routes announced, but by saying so out loud I will likely get brought in for a psych screening or at least a drug test.

If any of the optimism that is floating around UA right now happens to find its way to the Midwest rather than a coast, the movement at ORD could improve quickly. There was a time (I am getting too damn old) that ORD was where new hires got "forced" to go!

2.5 years seniority to hold 756 in ORD. Quite a few of us waiting to get in.


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Thanks for the write-up and info, guys.

New hires went directly to ORD on the “panel”.......do not pass go, do not collect $200.....:cool:

What? United has a pilot base in ORD?

Not for long. I’m guessing they will shut it down and move it to CLE.

Clearly, you have this schiiiiiiiise figured out. You'll probably age gracefully in this profession. Congrats.

SNAP is out!

JR 737 SFO CAPT Jan 2017 320 SFO FEB 2017

777 FO SFO less then 1 year. Point of reference 777 IAH is 25 years. :D

Oh thank goodness. Movement in SFO. Now maybe the February 2019 SFO 757 new hire that was squawking about not having a line yet as an Alaska Captain sat on the JS last week will finally get one.

How refreshing for all those poor souls in SFO! Those guys have been getting the shaft for far too long. Let’s all hope this ray of sunshine is the beginning to the end of their long suffering.


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SFO is a revolving door. People bid there to get new equipment or seat, then immediately try to lateral.

sarcasm: a sharp and often satirical or ironic utterance

- Meriam Webster

Carry on.

Though the first snapshot won’t stand, as we all know, both those jr CAs are March 17 hires.

This is just the 1st of 5 or 6 more monthly bids before next summer.

So much for the ‘17 captains on today’s snapshot.

2015 hires came out to play today :D

Haha, obviously it was too good to last, but seeing your name on a snapshot like that is still pretty cool. It’s a good time to be young doing this.

Some of us are still on there. But just barely :D

I understood Chalupa's sarcasm. However, there's a reason for all of SFO's vacancies … it's a revolving door.
I will probably move up 5% on this bid, only to find that I've moved back 4% by the next vacancy bid. Net gain of 1% in BES.
Then there's the joy of your FO saying, 'I'm still on high mins'.

Weren’t you also on high mins at some point?