FollowMe

Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.

A320

and yet CAL Scabs are grandfathered by ALPA

USMCFLYR

One of the most ignorant sayings ever.

baseball

Last I heard ALPA forgave the scabs for 2 reasons. 1. to get CAL back to ALPA, and 2. get their dues money.

One thing I am very glad to see.....Those SCABS gotta pay Caesar what is Caesar's. No free rides.

I don't know if "grandfathered is the right word for it. Do the legacy UAL scabs pay dues too?

baseball

I tend to agree.

I don't see allot of highly accomplished folks in universities. The highly accomplished folks had or are having great careers and are living their dream. When they are done with all that, time to hit the beach and go bikini watching.

It's hard to imagine many retired senior 777 Captains going back in time schlepping it at some university trying to explain the obvious and having to deal with a bunch of academics and then having to deal with university politics and the bureaucracy of fighting for resources.

Guppydriver95

Damn. It’s like whack a mole with some of y’all. The scabs were NOT FORGIVEN. Federal law mandated they not be excluded in order to have the vast majority who didn’t scab become alpa members. It get old having to correct this stuff time and time again.

Itsajob

My guess is that reason number 2 is the biggest player in starting this thread. Lacy donated money to the school. Just look to politics as an example. Plenty of donors who are real scum have been given positions or pardons. People cut from the same cloth have been given honorary degrees also.

Dave Fitzgerald

Yes, and no. They are not called dues, but contract fees. They are required to pay ALPA for the contract. Agency shop requires even SCABS pay fees.

detpilot

Shouldn't depend on what you do, huh? Wouldn't accomplish anything? I get it... You really don't understand unity. Sure, me going by myself would do nothing. A rotating group of 100+ UNION pilots marching together in SOLIDARITY has some precedent of accomplishing a thing or two. Now, whether this issue is worth the effort is an argument that I'd entertain.

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Dave Fitzgerald

All UND alum: It seems UND staff is unwilling to reconsider the issue, or how even this happened. No one is taking responsibility.

It has devolved into stopping alum contributions to the university. It will be a question of cost. Was the money Clay Lacey, bribe......uhhh-- donated to UND worth losing their reputation and credibility when it comes to training airline pilots? Who---just happened to be highly unionized. I still can't imagine that they didn't know. Which is worse, they did it knowingly.

The eventual cost will be harder yet to quantify, as some who had been considering their kids attending, will now go elsewhere. Namely Emery Riddle.

A recent conversation with Dr. Joshua Wynne, the president of the university:

"Dr. Wynne:

While it may be that it was not first on your “watch” that all this occurred in the shadows, what you are now presiding over is the clear fact that UND has sold its most valuable commodity on the cheap, its reputation as a pure and simple institution in the academic world, wherein it was beholden only un to itself because its unique successes had made it so. UND has now secretly proselytized itself at the alter of what it perceives to be an “aviation legend” to be when it’s abundantly clear new incoming prospects I speak with are looking more and more at Embry-Riddle or elsewhere, particularly since the North Dakota Legislature abandoned certain reciprocity agreements with several western states, thereby making out-of-sate tuition much more expensive.

For approximately ten years, as an Air Force Reservist, I was an Admissions Liaison Officer for the US Air Force Academy and ROTC Scholarships. I interviewed very motivated high school prospects for years so I know quite well all of what it is that’s involved with college admissions. In fact, my wife and I took our two boys to UND two years ago now to look at the prospect of them attending UND and we were quite well impressed with what has become of what used to be the “Aviation Department” in the College of Business and Public Administration and is now the John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences. I go far enough back to where Mr. Odegard personally conducted my FAA CFI Oral Exam, so I know what we were and what we were then made of. My bet is he’d be well ****ed off at what you all have done.

Now, in particular with your reply, my wife and I wouldn’t send our boys to UND if it was the last outpost on the planet for aviation, or any other College within the University. I could teach them to fly myself and frankly so too could a number of other certified schools. You in the management world need to understand that while it may take some time and the aviation community may be a bit slow to wake up and “get the word” on what UND did in secret, but with your reply you’re keeping a black mark on the University will cost you and the institution far more than the “72 UND Aviation students” you now state “have been assisted.”

Fact is, the guy with actual integrity here in all of this is Mr. Jonathan Gehrke. I noted yesterday that I was charged for the contributions I had already stated I wanted stopped and immediately this morning, he texted to let me know it was in error and would be reversed. You all would be well advised to listen to this man who clearly has his ear to the ground, rather than those who continue to apologize and make excuses for the continued ongoing proselytization to nothing more than a self-aggrandizing liar.

Maybe you folks will figure it out, maybe not, maybe you personally will be gone and it won’t matter to you, but to many UND Alumni like me the damage is permanent.

With immense sadness and disgust,

John Clark
UND Class of ‘83"