C12 Candidate Torres
 

Marty Torres ALPA Drops

Mo & Year / Hours of ALPA/Co Pay

June 2019 / 94.5
April 2019 /74.5
March 2019 / 94.5
February 2019 / 94.5
January 2019 / 94.5
December 2018 / 94.5
October 2018 / 94.5
September 2018 / 94.5
August 2018 / 94.5
July 2018 / 94.5
June 2018 / 94.5
May 2018 / 94.5
April 2018 / 94.5
March 2018 / 94.5
February 2018 / 94.5
January 2018 / 94.5
December 2017 / 94.5
November 2017 / 94.5
October 2017 / 94.5
September 2017 / 94.5
June 2017 / 94.5
May 2017 / 94.5
April 2017 / 94.5
March 2017 / 94.5
February 2017 / 94.5
January 2017 / 94.5
December 2016 / 94.5
November 2016 / 94.5
October 2016 / 94.5
September 2016 / 94.5
August 2016 / 94.5
July 2016 / 94.5
June 2016 / 94.5

Don’t know Marty, didn’t vote for him. However, you posting this on an anonymous public forum is idiotic. Go throw your dog a ball or something.

Are you going to mention how much money the committee he chairs has clawed back from the company for the pilots. Like the Airbus ACARs door closure problem? Every time I’ve had a pay issue and Pdr’d it. Marty or one of the members of his committee has responded quickly and filed the pay claim for me. Not my council anymore but a several of committee chairs are on full time drops. But I’m sure you already knew that.

Marty is paid a full time salary like many other full time MEC volunteers. This post is bull.

Why would you need to post misleading information when you could argue with facts?

Interesting reactions to simple facts.


Thank Rick Cameron for that, and why is our pay still screwed up 7+ years into the UPA?


Mike Harrison and the two full-time lawyers who have served this committee sure do know their stuff and Marty is a helluva nice guy. Remember the ESOP stock or the bond distribution debacles?

The real question is why you’d post it?

Are you running or have you served as an elected rep in a camp not aligned with the candidate (who’s a longtime alpa volunteer)?

Your “simple facts” appear to cast criticism on an alpa member who’s done a boatload of work on behalf of UAL pilots. As mentioned, he’s clawed back millions from the company, I’d call those monthly trip drop totals a pretty darn good investment.

If your goal is to promote his candidacy, it’s working! I’d say he’s experienced and qualified. I’d vote for him!

To be clear, those aren't 'trip drops' that's the UAL ALPA MEC policy credit for a full time volunteer. The more I think about this post the more it ****es me off. What does it show? Three years of consecutive MEC work fighting for our pilots. I'm not C12 and am not commenting on the merits of the gentleman as it pertains to LEC elections, but demeaning someone for being a full-time worker is pretty weak.

Agreed, I thinks a fair question, why’d the OP post it?

Because it’s MEC policy, whoever fills that position will presumably receive the same full time credit. It’s a cost baked into union expenses. For FTL to throw that out is absolutely weak sauce.

Marty is a senior A320 Captain and can easily fly more that that! He gave up money to recover $40mil for the pilots! We should all be thanking him!

They may not actually be simple facts. Are you accusing someone of something illegal or unethical? The MEC administers triploss IAW the CBL and is supervised and scrutinized by the S/T. The DoL and DoJ would also have an angle in this, so be careful as to what you say are simple facts.

Have you ever read the Joe Fagone (FED EX) pilot neutral triploss abuse (scandal) report outlining several Continental pilots misuse of the ALPA triploss policy? It's an interesting read. I doubt something like that were going on, otherwise we'd have heard about it a long time ago. On the other hand, if it's personal, it makes perfect sense to me.

No, he's not. Better luck on your 2nd post.

The reason for bringing it up is that stewardship of the pilots' dues is an important issue for a potential pilot rep and possible council chairman. Marty is well know for his lack of performance with regards to the sale of ESOP stock, the bond distribution debacle and his lack of understanding pay issues despite being the Chairman of the Pilot Compensation Committee. These are not very closely held secrets.

OK, so you’re bitter about how the ESOP ended and how the bond was distributed - how original. Are you suggesting that Marty did any of that in vacuum or without knowledge and approval of the MEC? Weren’t YOU on that MEC?

Would you please connect your first post to your dissatisfaction and explain what posting full time pay credit has to do with any of that? Are there any other full time ALPA volunteers you want to throw under the bus?

Go back and hide under your rock, troll.

Yet he has been continually been re-elected as the Chair by the MEC. And your correct Marty became a 777 Captain on Vacancy 19-03 (just over one year ago). C12 politics mirror very closely to the politics of the city in which they are domiciled.

So.. [Directed to LiveToFly]
I'll bite.

What prompted this thread?

After that.. who is this person, MT? Ya threw his name out there but as an ex LCAL guy, the name doesn't ring a bell yet you later referenced him with LUAL's ESOP.
Again, as an ex LCAL guy, I barely have any knowledge of ESOP or everything that went down with LUAL since 2000+.
And as far as the Post Merger New Hires (PMNH) are concerned.. they probably know even less!

Lastly, it seems like a pretty chicken **** thing to do, to post someone else's name without putting YOUR name up. Just my opinion.

Seems (from reading a few of the responses...) that MT does ALPA payroll work. If so, he's probably WAY WAY in the plus column with regards to getting our pilot group and individual pilots money back!

Yes it's pathetic that we still have these sort of payroll issues.
Good thing we don't fly airplanes like out Payroll IT department operates... lol
That being said, I have found that when I need payroll help, they have been prompt and addressed the issue. But, I digress.

End of the day, if you (FlyToLive) have an issue with someone at the union, why not tell the whole story AND identify yourself?
As someone who use to hold my union (exLCAL ALPA MEC/LEC) to the fire with regards to certain things, I get the frustration (sometimes) with regards to how things are done. But at the end of the day, throwing someone else's name up on a public aviation forum is just a chicken **** thing to do.

Fly Safe, Fly Professional & Fly the Contract
Peter "Motch" Matschulat

Have gotten a few emails from the c-12 candidates. Getting a little ugly.

Flytolive is a former ORD Status rep if that helps with perspective.

Not a very closely held secret either. ::D

I fixed it for you. You're welcome. Have a great day :-)

I see you chose NOT to address the simple facts I pointed out. Very classy (not). I have done some digging. He is in full compliance with the constitution and bylaws as well as the policy manual. What's next....."cow tippin?"

If you’re so great and capable and could have saved the ESOP, gotten more money for the bond, etc, then go volunteer for his job and explain how you can do it better.

If not, then stop complaining.

Making a public accusation about someone while hiding behind a pseudonym is shameful.

Now that’s funny right there......(although not very ethical treatment of the poor bovines)

I do apologize for my rude treatment of the classy dude.

But, I think the lesson learned here is not to go out and say "fire" unless you really know something for a fact. And, if you actually knew something for a fact, you would likely do one of two things, if not both.
First, go to the individual and try and get him or her to make it right, and if not, go to the next LEC meeting and bring up article 8 charges.

So, maybe he actually saw fire. But, the fire I see in this case, is someone lawfully lighting up a cigar.

In cases of financial misconduct within ALPA all we have to do is look at the example of Bob Shoemaker to see how a local council deals with issues like that.

People that go cow tippin are those that are generally bored on a Saturday night with nothing better to do in BFE Alabama, or XYZ Missisippi, or ABC Arkansas. Some country hicks with no girl friend and no ammo for their shotgun to go shooting up stop signs at 2 o clock in the morning. So, I presumed he'd go cow tippin….sorry cows.

Besides having only one kidney, Fly, has a LONG and controversial history of involvement in ALPA as do many of his 570 peers. He definitely has won a few skirmishes that were worthwhile for the pilot group, but his views on life are very confused, and his treatment of others is often wholly lacking in empathy while at other times he can show amazing empathy. Very odd. I suppose you can forgive him for the "Holier than thou" attitude since he got hired young and has been a captain at UAL for much of his career. Lucky b@stird has many years to go and is already top 5% on the EWR 777 cap list.

Anyways, point is his attack comes from his zeal in regards to ALPA politics of which he is well versed and about which he is immensely knowledgable. That is certain. Many people, including myself, do not agree with his interpretation of the facts most times, but he for sure is not lacking of said facts.

I hate to admit it though that in this case I agree with the sentiment that Marty is part of the problem NOT the solution and he proved that because he is as close to a "career politician' as you can get in ALPA and has been in office during times when stuff happened that definitely wasn't in everyone's best interest. Not sure this was the right place to post politics for a Council 12 election but whatever . . . it's entertaining.

EDIT: Just learned that Marty is running against Wendy. Now that is a dilemma. C12 sure seems to have a disproportionate number of controversial members. Somebody get the popcorn . . . this is gonna be ugly. I just hope Todd comes to his senses and shuts down this talk of giving on Scope.

Are these candidates floating the idea of loosening scope?

I haven’t heard anyone in the union floating around the idea of loosening scope. There are people who like to infer that they are, but their message has been pretty consistent. The language in the next contract may not be a simple cut and paste from this one, but any change will improve our position, not weaken it.

Sunvox is onto something based on a few hints he has put out recently.

There’s more going on than most of us realize, but I don’t know the true details either.

Seems like it’s about to get interesting even after silly season is over.

I’ve seen how the MEC and NC seem to be slowly changing the goal and expectations of scope, subtlety. I just wasn’t sure if the candidates in C12 were running on that platform. I’m a C34 guy.

Scope relief means a NO vote and replacing the neg com ..
Plain and simple and the reps , executive MEC and NC should have got it by now

I hope

I’ve been hearing this on the line too, but haven’t seen anything specifically from the MEC or NC. What are you reading that makes you think that there’s been a sea change with respect to scope?

The cartoon videos put out by the MEC about a year ago talking about our collective need to ensure “express” is staffed to keep feeding mainline and the pilot shortage.

The straw man argument of the CRJ 550 threat. Yes the company can add dozens , if not hundreds, of them. But where are they going to get from. Bombardier doesn’t produce them anymore. They sold the crj line to Mitsubishi, which afaik, has no plans to fire up the production line. Most of the crj 700’s that flew as uax are now in delta and American colors (not sitting in a desert). Mesa and go jet have maybe 50 to convert. Yet they presented it as a real threat in one of the negotiations update, which is intellectually dishonest.

Sorry, but this is a weak argument and easy scapegoat. The NC works FOR the MEC. The MEC gives direction to the NC on what they want done at the negotiating table. The NC brings back to the MEC the company proposals for further direction or the jigsaw piece that will solve the issue based on the MECs prior direction. IF a TA gets out to the pilots it’s with the backing of the majority of the MEC who are satisfied that the NC did the job they were directed to do by the MEC. Looking for someone to blame if there is a “no” vote as you describe? Look no further than the elected reps. I for one will never blame the NC for the product the MEC has final approval over for membership ratification. It’s obvious that there are those around the table who are unwilling or too scared to own this decision which is their responsibility as elected representatives of the pilots. Don’t fall for the trap of not holding your reps accountable and scapegoating the NC as some of them would love to see the pilot group do. Nope. The buck stops with them not the NC.

Said another way, a substandard agreement should never make it to the pilots. If it does, it’s because of the MEC.

If the MEC leadership is doing something like that then let the recalls and/or resignations begin.

I am too old for this crap.

Return the dignity, honor, career progression, and career expectations to the profession - drive the results you were hired to do, or- move over rover and let Jimmy take over.

Enough of the weakness. Be strong and act strong.

Seriously, if we do have MEC folks and NC people in there considering such lunacy and insanity they should gladly step a side. It may take 4 to 6 leadership changes to get the right mix of bold leadership, but I would support candidates that support bringing back the profession, holding the line on scope, and improving career progression and career expectations.

I don't see hospitals out sourcing doctors. Stop the out sourcing of our jobs, and save the profession.

owning a vote is an important thing. You own the outcome.

Have we forgotten the critical votes of Norm Gustitus and Dan Sebastianelli at CAL? Major screw up! And, we owe PBS to them.

They were elected on a special election to fill the roles of recalled reps from IAH, Stone and Shoemaker.

These two clowns actually voted YES to implement PBS even though we had no understanding of it and it was brought about by a contract vote with section 25 (the scheduling section) missing. That vote should have either not occurred, or the pilots should have been allowed to read it and vote on it. shame on them!

Absolutely insane for an MEC to vote on something like that. It wasn't what the pilots wanted and it got implemented anyway. It wasn't what we were expecting, but we got screwed with it. A 750 million dollar concession turned into a 1.4 billion dollar give back and now that legacy lives on today in the UAL contract.

Lesson: know what the character is of the people you send to the MEC. Company stooges and scab sympathizers will always put management's wants above the pilots needs.

That section is the most important section in the contract. It has major implications on our pay. Why couldn't the pilots vote on that? I mean we voted on a "BLANK" section 25. That should infer we should at some point be allowed to vote on section 25 when it's ready to be reviewed. It's like Nancy Pelosi saying "pass it first, and read it later" regarding the Affordable Care act (Obama-care).

We need to be alert for screw-jobs like these. Anyone playing hide the salami with the scope section will have hell to pay. They will own their vote, and their names will be written in the book of honor, or the book of shame. Sebastianelli and Gustitus are in the later and not the former.

Exactly
55 total 700s to be converted to 550
Not a thread and I hope the MEC and NC don’t fall for it and consider it thread
Chicken s.... plan by management

NO to scope relief otherwise the recalls will be massive

Phone calls to your reps stating that now might help avoid a lot of wasted time, effort and contractual value.

They know

Emergency LEC meeting with an agenda item their recall and whoever is there votes

It’s simple request and it will pass as an agenda item because I will personally bring 30-40 people in the meeting ,,,it may be tough to give them the actual boot during the voting, but 51 percent is doable !

I must be missing something here. If our elected reps wanted the NC to relax our scope language, they would have, and we’d already have a MEC approved TA to shoot down. We aren’t close to a TA because the MEC and NC are holding the line, not because they’re weak. This just seems like those who read a bunch of hidden meaning into the Christmas card last year.

Kirby just solved his own scope problem, he can have unlimited 550’s. Now, where my contract?

That ^^^^ is absolutely brilliant!

I hate to break it to you, the medical field has been outsourcing doctors with foreign doctors and internet consultations for years now and decreasing high cost general MD’s with PA’s for years.