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V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 07:54 AM


Originally Posted by Vernon Demerest (Post 3470904)
Who cares? They are likely a lot older than many new hire FOs as they wasted years in some mundane job here for lower pay. Let them have some vacation seniority or pass travel seniority. The jumpseat will always go by pilot seniority.

Wow I’d hate to fly with you as my captain. Your probably the guy that thinks his sh don’t stink. I can’t imagine how you treat your FA, gate agents and everyone else that plays a part in a airline.

ThumbsUp 08-01-2022 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by V1rotate2500 (Post 3470870)
It’s a fact ! People have already transitioned from other positions to pilot and have more weeks of seniority than a new hire F/O


Sorry man. I know a few people like those that you speak of. It’s not the case. That info is readily available in shares.

V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 12:39 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3471008)
Sorry man. I know a few people like those that you speak of. It’s not the case. That info is readily available in shares.

Yeah well my son transitioned this year and guess what pal he has 5 weeks of vacation ! He was a flight attendant and was flying at the same time. The time came for him to start flying mainline. He has more vacation and flying seniority than his entire new hire class. I know it hurts to hear this but you’ll get over it.

ThumbsUp 08-01-2022 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by V1rotate2500 (Post 3471093)
Yeah well my son transitioned this year and guess what pal he has 5 weeks of vacation ! He was a flight attendant and was flying at the same time. The time came for him to start flying mainline. He has more vacation and flying seniority than his entire new hire class. I know it hurts to hear this but you’ll get over it.


Look him up in shares. I think you’ll find that you are wrong. New hires don’t have full vacation, BTW, since it is a look back. Look at your CBA. You might want to read it.

V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 04:12 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3471216)
Look him up in shares. I think you’ll find that you are wrong. New hires don’t have full vacation, BTW, since it is a look back. Look at your CBA. You might want to read it.

Ok mr know it all when in reality you know nothing ! Here is something I copied directly from the United employee website. "If you are eligible to receive credit for past company service, United calculates your adjusted company seniority date based on your prior company service date minus the period of leave. Credit for past company service is applicable only in determining vacation accruals, pass travel and years of service recognition programs".

https://flyingtogether.ual.com/Employee-Services/CareerOpportunities/availableOpportunities/united-aviate-employee-program

V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 04:15 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3471008)
Sorry man. I know a few people like those that you speak of. It’s not the case. That info is readily available in shares.

Stop saying what you don’t know !

"If you are eligible to receive credit for past company service, United calculates your adjusted company seniority date based on your prior company service date minus the period of leave. Credit for past company service is applicable only in determining vacation accruals, pass travel and years of service recognition programs".

https://flyingtogether.ual.com/Employee-Services/CareerOpportunities/availableOpportunities/united-aviate-employee-program

ThumbsUp 08-01-2022 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by V1rotate2500 (Post 3471224)
Stop saying what you don’t know !

"If you are eligible to receive credit for past company service, United calculates your adjusted company seniority date based on your prior company service date minus the period of leave. Credit for past company service is applicable only in determining vacation accruals, pass travel and years of service recognition programs".

https://flyingtogether.ual.com/Employee-Services/CareerOpportunities/availableOpportunities/united-aviate-employee-program

Did you look it up yet in shares? You are reading that paragraph wrong. That applies if you leave the Aviate program and return back to United or as a pilot.

V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3471229)
Did you look it up yet in shares?

It’s in black and white bud. So on your computer all you need to do is login to flying together and paste the link. Once you are there scroll down and you’ll see. A 20 year gate agent can go and get his pilot license ,go thru Aviate and then come in with more vacation than you. It’s a fact not a opinion. If you don’t like it talk to the people that started Aviate

V1rotate2500 08-01-2022 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by ThumbsUp (Post 3471229)
Did you look it up yet in shares? You are reading that paragraph wrong. That applies if you leave the Aviate program and return back to United or as a pilot.

That’s incorrect your reading it wrong.

ThumbsUp 08-01-2022 04:30 PM


Originally Posted by V1rotate2500 (Post 3471232)
It’s in black and white bud. So on your computer all you need to do is login to flying together and paste the link. Once you are there scroll down and you’ll see. A 20 year gate agent can go and get his pilot license ,go thru Aviate and then come in with more vacation than you. It’s a fact not a opinion. If you don’t like it talk to the people that started Aviate

You signed up for an account 3 weeks ago and randomly bash the Aviate program for some reason. Don’t spread bad info. I’ll paste the full paragraph you quoted above. It doesn’t apply to pilots that finish the Aviate program, but those who leave and return in some other non-pilot capacity:

Leaving the Aviate Program while on Aviate Leave and Returning to United

Employees who leave Aviate before completion of the program while on Aviate Leave will not be eligible for the Aviate program in the future, but will have several options on returning to United depending on which stage of the program they were in. The employee should contact Employee Service Center (ESC) for more details on the procedure they should follow.

the employee’s vacated position is no longer available, individuals are encouraged to seek a competitive position for which they are qualified, as long as a vacancy is available. If there are no available openings or the employee has not been selected for another position within 60 days of terminating Aviate Leave, they will be separated from employment at United at that time.

If the employee is eligible to receive credit for past company service, United calculates the employee’s adjusted company seniority date based on the employee’s prior company service date minus the period of leave. Credit for past company service is applicable only in determining vacation accruals, pass travel and years of service recognition programs.

Note: In the event of policy conflicts with any collective bargaining agreement (CBA), the terms of the CBA will take precedence over the published policy.


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