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Originally Posted by Neptune
(Post 2979960)
Is it pretty much the same story with Opentime trips? Are junior guys able to pick anything up above their reserve guarantee?
Not really a valid question for someone on reserve. Yes, you can break guarantee by aggressively picking up trips. It seems in my base and seat that very few reserves break guarantee most months. I am 1 year in the left seat and most months on reserve. I live in base and never pick anything up. Ever. I’m home a lot. Once you are a lineholder you can pick up extra work. Most pilots don’t do it unless it’s a premium pay trip. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
1st and 2nd year pay
Originally Posted by C2078
(Post 2979719)
I always love when people post crap like “you can make this if you bust your butt” instead of more realistic numbers. Sure there are folks who can credit 150 hours during summer months but these are most definitely the outliers, not the mainstream, the folks who work the system hard. During my 20+ years in aviation I find the vast majority of people want to do their job, fly their line and go home. The other joke is when folks throw in the DC as income when you will not see that money for possibly decades! Of course it’s a benefit, but it doesn’t affect my day to day, just my piece of mind and planning for the future because most if not all folks are still going to max out their 401k.
Bottom line, for example, for a 3-4 year NB FO to make say $225k straight pay, not counting DC, per diem, etc, just flight credit pay, implies about 1,400 hours of credit pay per year. Is that impossible, of course not. Is that the norm or even close to the average? Of course not. I’m not a 3-4 year guy but when I was 75% (line holder) in the 777FO base I essentially worked an entire year at time and a half when you looked at my block for the year vs my credit hours for the year. |
While I dont doubt that.. Those annual figures are still skewed when you account for recurrent, landings, vacation, deadheads, fbo, trip rigs etc.
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Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
(Post 2980022)
Not really a valid question for someone on reserve. Yes, you can break guarantee by aggressively picking up trips. It seems in my base and seat that very few reserves break guarantee most months. I am 1 year in the left seat and most months on reserve. I live in base and never pick anything up. Ever. I’m home a lot.
Once you are a lineholder you can pick up extra work. Most pilots don’t do it unless it’s a premium pay trip. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
There’s a system. If you take the time to figure it out, you can, w/in the boundaries our contract, make tons of cash while working very little, even near the bottom of the seniority list. But it takes effort. Or, you can sit back, work your schedule, and still make a very good living.
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Originally Posted by Neptune
(Post 2980084)
Sorry, I should’ve been more specific. On days off are you able to pick up flying and if so, does that go above guarantee at straight pay?
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1st and 2nd year pay
Originally Posted by Neptune
(Post 2980084)
Sorry, I should’ve been more specific. On days off are you able to pick up flying and if so, does that go above guarantee at straight pay?
Yes, you can pick up trips for straight pay on days off....within FAR 117 and some company imposed scheduling limitations. This would be added to your line value so MPG doesn’t really matter (70 hrs MPG for a lineholder). That said, there are multiple situations where picking up trips would result in working for free...low credit vacation months and line values below MPG. Guys like me who sit reserve from home and don’t pick anything up love people who pick up trips for straight pay. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
(Post 2980167)
NO...that is not allowed in this contract.
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Depends on the base. IAH 737 FO straight pay pick ups routinely go to pilots 2700-5500 on the seniority list. So let's be clear here unless you were hired prior to 2003 (ISH) good luck in IAH. On the flip side RSV in IAH 737 you simply do not fly. To make over $200K as a NB FO years 3-7 you have to hump. IE out of base pick up's or go to the 320 SFO/EWR who seem to have a lot of PP flying. The max being down has not helped.
Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
(Post 2980192)
Yes, you can pick up trips for straight pay on days off....within FAR 117 and some company imposed scheduling limitations. This would be added to your line value so MPG doesn’t really matter (70 hrs MPG for a lineholder). That said, there are multiple situations where picking up trips would result in working for free...low credit vacation months and line values below MPG. Guys like me who sit reserve from home and don’t pick anything up love people who pick up trips for straight pay.
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Originally Posted by Neptune
(Post 2979960)
Is it pretty much the same story with Opentime trips? Are junior guys able to pick anything up above their reserve guarantee?
Guppy: Lots of open time (so far). 75x: Less so (apparently, truth in advertising, I’m a SFO Guppy guy). First month of reserve I watched the aggressive pickup board closely and jumped on any trip that looked like it would work out; tons of open time that month so I logged about 83 hours. Could have done more but my socks were getting gross and I like going home early on my last day. None of it was premium but as a commuter a trip gives you: Per Diem, a hotel vs the top bunk in a crash pad, and if you wangle it right, some control on your schedule the last day. So if you are commuting to reserve, there are some tangible benefits to aggressive pickup even if you are looking at a guarantee month. As always YMMV |
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