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CLazarus 03-19-2020 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Lax Dad (Post 3004625)
A bear and a rabbit are taking a **** in the woods.

The bear turns to the rabbit and asks conversationally: "You ever have a problem with **** sticking to your fur?"

The rabbit, smugly, replies: "Nope, never."

The bear says "Good to hear it," picks up the rabbit and wipes his ass with the bunny.

Best 2nd post ever! Take note Sentinel...

Arctic9 03-19-2020 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by MagooFlew (Post 3004269)
Just trying to play along with the numbers... do you mean payroll B3.2 per yr / 6 = 533M for two months, and 40% savings on that = 212M for two months, or did I (probably) miss something?

The word starting to come out is that we are burning through over $120 million PER DAY.

Andy 03-20-2020 03:43 AM


Originally Posted by Arctic9 (Post 3004704)
The word starting to come out is that we are burning through over $120 million PER DAY.

$120M times 365 = $43.8B.

Operating Expenses for 2019 were $39B. Includes $9B in fuel, $2.5B in landing fees and other rent.

Possible, but the $120M/day number looks like it's a bit high. And assumes zero revenue.
I'm sure that the burn rate is insanely high, but $120M/day just sounds a bit too high. My uneducated guess (based on lowering some expenses) is $90-95M/day. Still outrageously bad and $8B is gone in less than 3 months at that rate.

tennisguru 03-20-2020 05:05 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3004844)
$120M times 365 = $43.8B.

Operating Expenses for 2019 were $39B. Includes $9B in fuel, $2.5B in landing fees and other rent.

Possible, but the $120M/day number looks like it's a bit high. And assumes zero revenue.
I'm sure that the burn rate is insanely high, but $120M/day just sounds a bit too high. My uneducated guess (based on lowering some expenses) is $90-95M/day. Still outrageously bad and $8B is gone in less than 3 months at that rate.

Just for reference, on one of our (Delta) video updates from Managment it was mentioned we were burning approximately $40 million/day. Not sure if that is getting any better now that mass cancellations have begun and we aren’t flying practically empty planes everywhere.

JoePatroni 03-20-2020 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3004844)
$120M times 365 = $43.8B.

Operating Expenses for 2019 were $39B. Includes $9B in fuel, $2.5B in landing fees and other rent.

Possible, but the $120M/day number looks like it's a bit high. And assumes zero revenue.
I'm sure that the burn rate is insanely high, but $120M/day just sounds a bit too high. My uneducated guess (based on lowering some expenses) is $90-95M/day. Still outrageously bad and $8B is gone in less than 3 months at that rate.

Price of oil has plummeted too.

Andy 03-20-2020 02:59 PM


Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3005385)
Price of oil has plummeted too.

Yes, cut in more than half. That lowers the annual number by (uneducated spitball) $5B or so? And we're using less fuel which cuts another (uneducated guess) $2B off the cost. Total annual fuel cost could be coming in at $2B. We'll have to see what the Q1 numbers look like.

Sniper66 03-20-2020 03:46 PM

Looks like they may have met their numbers of volunteers or close to that at least

Now if everyone gets a 50 hour line awarded for April
there should not be furloughs I hope

badflaps 03-20-2020 03:56 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 3003791)
I think what he meant to say is, that even if the virus is short lived, (I think it'll be longer vs. shorter,) the affects on airlines and society will last years.

So, no hand shaking anymore? Do I not need to show that I am not carrying a weapon?

You are good, hopefully no F/A will have you arrested for assault with a dead weapon.

Dave Fitzgerald 03-21-2020 12:32 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 3004486)
I think that went way over most people's heads, Dave. I know you, you're a killing machine even unarmed :). Hope all is well on the left coast.

Touché!!

Thanks, so far so good, but stuck in a hotel for 22 hrs on a closed beach....

Andy 03-21-2020 06:25 AM


Originally Posted by tennisguru (Post 3004869)
Just for reference, on one of our (Delta) video updates from Managment it was mentioned we were burning approximately $40 million/day. Not sure if that is getting any better now that mass cancellations have begun and we aren’t flying practically empty planes everywhere.

Delta's salaries and related costs for 2019 was $11.2B. That's $30.7M/day for payroll alone.

United's salaries and related costs for 2019 was $12.1B. That's $33.2M/day for payroll alone.


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