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The Sentinel 03-19-2020 11:49 AM

Any idea how long it’s taking aircraft to get off the ground?

Longhornmaniac8 03-19-2020 11:57 AM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 3003761)
Uhh….hate to tell both of you, airports don't close because the tower is closed. It just becomes an uncontrolled airport.

I was in the air last night with Denver Center when they started telling LAS-bound aircraft LAS was ATC Zero.

They also said LAS wasn't accepting any arrivals at that point and to get with their companies and advise where they were diverting.

While you may be technically correct that the airport wasn't "closed," every aircraft inbound to LAS at that point was not going to LAS anymore.

detpilot 03-19-2020 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by Longhornmaniac8 (Post 3004179)
I was in the air last night with Denver Center when they started telling LAS-bound aircraft LAS was ATC Zero.

They also said LAS wasn't accepting any arrivals at that point and to get with their companies and advise where they were diverting.

While you may be technically correct that the airport wasn't "closed," every aircraft inbound to LAS at that point was not going to LAS anymore.

When you hit your 45 minute reserve fuel, declare emergency fuel and land at LAS anyway. Or, just add 5k no matter what. [emoji849]

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Guppydriver95 03-20-2020 07:15 AM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 3004671)
When you hit your 45 minute reserve fuel, declare emergency fuel and land at LAS anyway. Or, just add 5k no matter what. [emoji849]

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any Captain not making a decision until :45 mins of fuel, while knowing these conditions exist, is playing with fire. That equates to roughly 4000#’s on the guppy. I’d be on the ground looooong before that.

TenaciousB 03-21-2020 10:38 AM

ZNY has just gone ATC zero.

JoePatroni 03-21-2020 01:27 PM


Originally Posted by TenaciousB (Post 3006393)
ZNY has just gone ATC zero.

Now back to normal....whatever that is.

squall line 03-21-2020 02:01 PM

Alaska is adding an alternate to every flight plan until further notice for this very reason.

sleeves 03-21-2020 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by Dave Fitzgerald (Post 3003761)
Uhh….hate to tell both of you, airports don't close because the tower is closed. It just becomes an uncontrolled airport.

At uncontrolled airports you need a void time to take off IFR. You will get one when someone that is on an approach lands and cancels. The next airplane will not get an approach clearance if someone has a void time. Much longer process... adding fuel for this contingency is a good call.

Not directed to you Dave:
Declaring an emergency for this situation should be done if you are gonna get that low, but you better be able to answer why you did not divert sooner.

detpilot 03-21-2020 04:07 PM


Originally Posted by sleeves (Post 3006690)
At uncontrolled airports you need a void time to take off IFR. You will get one when someone that is on an approach lands and cancels. The next airplane will not get an approach clearance if someone has a void time. Much longer process... adding fuel for this contingency is a good call.



Not directed to you Dave:

Declaring an emergency for this situation should be done if you are gonna get that low, but you better be able to answer why you did not divert sooner.

If you're aware that the tower will be closed, or is likely to, then I agree. But carrying a ton of extra fuel all over the US because "Corona" is not something I'd do - if you find yourself in a pinch you have options. We're not flying into Diego Garcia here. There are tons of reasons to add fuel, but that's not a good one at least in my opinion.


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Andy 03-21-2020 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by detpilot (Post 3006787)
If you're aware that the tower will be closed, or is likely to, then I agree. But carrying a ton of extra fuel all over the US because "Corona" is not something I'd do - if you find yourself in a pinch you have options. We're not flying into Diego Garcia here. There are tons of reasons to add fuel, but that's not a good one at least in my opinion.

If there were ever a reason to carry contingency fuel, this is it, with multiple ATC centers and towers closing sporadically.

With jet fuel now under $1/gallon, it's less than $300 to carry an extra 2000 lbs of fuel. It buys time to hold rather than divert. And if everything goes OK, you're not going to burn 2000 lbs of fuel by carrying it as insurance.
Now, what's a divert cost?


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