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Sniper66 05-02-2020 06:56 AM


Originally Posted by Sparta (Post 3046865)
Well the displacement is out and it is MUCH bigger than even I thought...They are trying to prevent training cycles and are equalizing the junior captain in the narrow body bases (6801). Very tough to see this. Good luck to all.


what is the most junior FO on the property

navigatro 05-02-2020 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3046870)
It's out.

4,525 displacements.

Wow.

what does this mean in terms of projected furloughs?

Sparta 05-02-2020 07:00 AM

The company is also flushing categories across the system at set seniority numbers to prevent pilots from lateraling to other bases. What this means is giant displacements at junior bases....

Sparta 05-02-2020 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 3046873)
what does this mean in terms of projected furloughs?

I was originally thinking around 2500-3000 but after this I think it’s going to be more...

Setopbug 05-02-2020 07:08 AM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 3046873)
what does this mean in terms of projected furloughs?

4,525 by furlough and early retirement.

This management team isn't likely to come to the table with anything generous concerning the early retirements. I think we'll see at least that many off the bottom of the list.

AxlF16 05-02-2020 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by Setopbug (Post 3046883)
4,525 by furlough and early retirement.

This management team isn't likely to come to the table with anything generous concerning the early retirements. I think we'll see at least that many off the bottom of the list.

It looks like the jr man numbers are tactically set to prevent the 'bump game'. I don't think there's any requirement for the company to make additional displacements if a category grows due to inbound displacements. For example, in the initial displacement, EWR320 Cap will be pared down to about 130, but if 30 others displace in, it will raise the number to 160. My understanding is that they may choose to displace all, some, or none in the future. This dynamic may result in fewer than the 4525. However it goes, good luck to all of us. If you understand this process please reach out to our post merger hires and help them make the best decisions!

On a different note, how the hell can they train this many displacements prior to the effective date? Isn't there some 'reasonableness test' that limits their ability to game the displacement process?

Sparta 05-02-2020 07:32 AM


Originally Posted by AxlF16 (Post 3046896)
It looks like the jr man numbers are tactically set to prevent the 'bump game'. I don't think there's any requirement for the company to make additional displacements if a category grows due to inbound displacements. For example, in the initial displacement, EWR320 Cap will be pared down to about 130, but if 30 others displace in, it will raise the number to 160. My understanding is that they may choose to displace all, some, or none in the future. This dynamic may result in fewer than the 4525. However it goes, good luck to all of us. If you understand this process please reach out to our post merger hires and help them make the best decisions!

On a different note, how the hell can they train this many displacements prior to the effective date? Isn't there some 'reasonableness test' that limits their ability to game the displacement process?

The company will probably train the “remaining” displaced pilots in the fall/winter. A lot of displaced pilots will never go to training as the company plans a big furlough.

Jay1122 05-02-2020 07:39 AM


Originally Posted by navigatro (Post 3046873)
what does this mean in terms of projected furloughs?

Bryan addressed this directly in his message.

ReadOnly7 05-02-2020 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Jay1122 (Post 3046917)
Bryan addressed this directly in his message.

not really. He said something like “you should be able to figure it out”.

For those of us who don’t actually know what that means......does it mean displacements=furloughs? One to one?

Triumph 05-02-2020 08:18 AM

The way it read was a 30% reduction. I’d say the bottom 30% is in trouble.


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