Originally Posted by 206321

I think the intent is to stick up for all of the UAL employees getting fleeced out of their bailout. Taxpayer dollars not going to where they were intended to.

I am sure pilots would be ****ed as well if your min guarantee was unilaterally cut 25% even though congress gave you funds to cover it all.

Originally Posted by horrido27

I will admit that I am totally confused now!
I initially thought I'm pay protected as a 756 at blended rate until (IF) I go to Airbus school. Then the union put something out (I believe Sat) that made me think I'm screwed and go to Airbus 12yr FO rate as of 1 June.
Then tonight BQ (or one of the other guys) had a slide up and I could have sworn they said.. June OR whenever you start IOE.. which ever comes later.
But now you posted that ^

What happens to pay for -
Me?
A 787 FO bumping down to 73/guppy FO?
A 756 Capt bumping to Triple or 78 FO?
A 73/Guppy Capt bumping to 73/Guppy FO?

I hate to write this.. but we need to start seeing some 'examples'

Also.. I get bumped to Airbus FO. A 2yr 78 FO gets bumped to Airbus FO and the next person junior to me gets bumped to Airbus FO?
Who goes first? I was always under the impression that it went by seniority order unless the 2yr person already had a furlough notice. After tonight, not sure about that anymore.
If I go before the other 2.. I believe I'd still be pay protected on the 756 rate, correct?

CRAZY F'ing times~
Motch

PS) Thanks for what you're still doing for the pilot group!

Originally Posted by 206321

I think the intent is to stick up for all of the UAL employees getting fleeced out of their bailout.

Originally Posted by Itsajob

Congress did not give the funds to cover it all. The grant money that the airlines received covers about 75% of the payroll. The taxpayer dollars are going exactly where they were intended, there is simply not enough to cover 100%.

Originally Posted by Varsity

AA's contract gives the company more than enough power to run a displacement every month, as they see fit. You guys are completely delusional if you believe otherwise.

Congress gave 75% of last years Q2 and Q3 employees salary under the conditions they maintain those positions.. It's not unreasonable for your employer to pay for 25% of your salary.

Doug is right and frankly the crooks in Chicago are dumb as usual. Just like the Dr. Dao incident, Willis tower brain trust will double down on the wrong move and have to walk it back or pay it back. Legislators and the public are taking notice, it's going to be a **** storm.

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7

Yeah.....I’m sure Parker can’t sleep at night because he’s concerned about his competition’s workers being treated unfairly.

He’s crying foul because it might give UAL an advantage. Period.

Originally Posted by O2pilot

Parker is a hypocrite. Didn’t he just get 700+ pilots to agree to 50 hours of pay until they retire instead of paying them all min guarantee? He took the grant money as well. Pilots getting 20-30 hours less a month of pay that are making $285/hour is a LOT more or a pay cut than a gate agent who makes $25/hour losing 10 hours pay a week.

Originally Posted by El Peso

Not defending Parker nor do I care why he chimed in on the way UAL is handling these funds but man, what a stupid statement from you. Those retirees are being paid to retire! That’s zero commitment to the company for 50 hr/month, plus 401k contribution, plus medical, plus profit sharing (if we ever profit again), plus flight deck jumpseat privileges until they’re 65. And it’s completely voluntary. You think that’s some kind of a bad deal, or somehow comparable to rampers being forced into part time?