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SlickMachine 05-16-2020 03:04 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3057407)
full Qual course, IOE, consolidate, observe B1-4 and FFS1-4 then beonserved instructing those lessons. Since they where already PIs probably fast track straight into observing FFS6-9 and CQT, then observed instructing those lessons. Then again since already a PI fast tracked into observing QMV, CQMV, LDRQ, CQTL then observed instructing those lessons then FAA sign off.

8 months to a year. Also all those observations remove instructors from the sked not to mention the massive increase in required QCs.

They can, and will, pencil whip the instructor training program to fit their needs. You will find that suddenly there won't be a see one do one program, it will be much shorter.

MasterOfPuppets 05-16-2020 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by SlickMachine (Post 3057706)
They can, and will, pencil whip the instructor training program to fit their needs. You will find that suddenly there won't be a see one do one program, it will be much shorter.

the Instructor training has been changed they can’t whip it anymore.


in the past they did for sure.

EwrRocks 05-16-2020 03:23 PM

Although I don’t see 4000 cuts, but if they did that’s likely 125ish instructors, and other management pilots. Would they even get that many from the line to replace them? Many may not want to replace a furloughee job, or move to Denver. Im not sure how some would feel about filling a job only made empty by a furlough of a union brother or sister.

Sixty N Two 05-16-2020 03:31 PM


Originally Posted by EwrRocks (Post 3057727)
Although I don’t see 4000 cuts, but if they did that’s likely 125ish instructors, and other management pilots. Would they even get that many from the line to replace them? Many may not want to replace a furloughee job, or move to Denver. Im not sure how I would feel about filling a job only made empty by a furlough of a union brother or sister.

if a person is furloughed out of an IP job at TK or an LCA for that matter, where do they stand upon recall? Back to the oars to row until they can get the IP gig back?

simuflite 05-16-2020 07:52 PM

Two additional 787 full flights come online Monday. Both qualified last week. They're in the new building.

cadetdrivr 05-16-2020 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by Sixty N Two (Post 3057733)
if a person is furloughed out of an IP job at TK or an LCA for that matter, where do they stand upon recall? Back to the oars to row until they can get the IP gig back?

Yup.

Pilots returning from furlough are treated like new hires and receive whatever is in the class drop. That said, I'm sure any furloughed IPs would be on the short list when re-applying for IP jobs.

Andy 05-16-2020 10:48 PM


Originally Posted by EwrRocks (Post 3057727)
Although I don’t see 4000 cuts, but if they did that’s likely 125ish instructors, and other management pilots. Would they even get that many from the line to replace them? Many may not want to replace a furloughee job, or move to Denver. Im not sure how some would feel about filling a job only made empty by a furlough of a union brother or sister.

I have zero desire to do that work. That said, I doubt they'll have much difficulty replacing PIs who are furloughed.
And frankly, once the displacement training's done, there will be a period where the bridge between the E and F building will have more tumbleweeds than people on it. And it's not like displacement training needs to be done quickly - train a few classes of NB FOs and that's probably all it will take to keep the airline running at this reduced level of flying.

gollum 05-17-2020 01:16 AM


Originally Posted by SkiShelter (Post 3057047)
I never called them as a line holder. Don’t have too. And when they do call you to give you a landing class, you can reject the first class at no jeopardy.


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you do if you want to get paid your 3.75 hrs of add pay per day of landings class in accordance 20-R-4

SlickMachine 05-17-2020 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3057718)
the Instructor training has been changed they can’t whip it anymore.


in the past they did for sure.

I've personally witnessed the 737 instructor program change 3 times since I've been in the building. What makes you think they can't change it again to fit this situation? Serious question.

MasterOfPuppets 05-17-2020 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by SlickMachine (Post 3057960)
I've personally witnessed the 737 instructor program change 3 times since I've been in the building. What makes you think they can't change it again to fit this situation? Serious question.

I have seen it change too and of course they can go back and do it anyway they get approved. All I’m saying is that is no longer the way it’s done.

with that Said there has been massive turnover in that building in the last year. There are new Managing Directors including the top guy. There are new managers running all the fleets. Several fleets have all new APMs and the POI is going to be new soon.

there was a ton of work done over the last year standardizing instructor training across all fleets, bringing the training up to what is required by AQP and the FAA.....we fell short for a long time.

they are free to change it but they better start now.


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