737/320 PI openings
 

They’d loooooove to have loooooots of senior people apply....more heads they can chop off that way.....

Maybe nobody applies. That would throw a wrench in the plans.

They waited a bit, but this is another card they had to show. It takes a long time to qualify PIs and I think the only way to shorten that time is to take them from another fleet - like the 757/767. We should hear soon if they are going to make a long term decision on that fleet.

they already announced a surplus on the 756 and 777. We’ll see who takes it voluntarily. If no one volunteers then the bottom guys go who are in furlough territory.

yeah......there’s a bunch of former PIs who live in DEN that just took a massive pay cut going from the left to right seat and then all the way down to reserve.......they will jump on the 90 hours plus over ride plus OT in about a half a second.

Is there a quick requal program for former PIs?

I don’t think so......but they are inventing all sorts of new training programs these days....Enhanced LDRQ as an example.

Sounds like a dandy 2.0 void for the sCAB's to clammer amuck in.

the scabs won’t give up their senior 350K job to be a PI capped out at 9 year WB FO.

Let me qualify that......those in the making as in the mentality for those back in the situation in time.

Capiche?

Are you saying PIs that take the job have a scab mentality? That’s a bit of stretch......

No capiche.

In looking at the Staffing Report, and viewing the TI's under "Seniority Order" (hint, the amount that would be furloughed under a 3K cut).......MOP, we'll have to "agree" to disagree on your myopic summation.

I can’t even comprehend what any of your posts actually mean. So ok buddy go get em. :)

Good to know that the Forrest Through The Trees is safe under your watch,

so you want to label any new PI a scab? What about existing PIs? What about evaluators? What about LCAs? Should they all resign so they are not seen as a scab in your eyes? Are you going to create a list? Are you going to check it before your event? Will you treat a current PI differently than a new PI?

there is no job action here the pilots will get trained even if there is only one instructor it’s just about how long it will take.

Im sure SoCalguy, without making any coherent points, actually means well. Wouldn’t it be great if the company couldn’t furlough what they wanted to because there weren’t enough instructors? I agree though, calling any new PI’s a scab is a bit of a stretch.

that would be fantastic and I hope it happens. Even now they are too late to the party. Non of the instructors they hire now will be instructing by OCT 1. And there will not be enough QC instructors to train the new instructors. It took the 787 a year and a half to train 40. The company is up a creek already regardless of how many pilots apply.

Check your PM

send it again....I got nothin

I think my mil buddies call it a “blue falcon”.

It’s concerning that they are looking for 320 PIs as the 320 PI list is pretty senior compared to the 73. There are 4,364 pilots between our most junior pilot and the 10th most junior 320 PI.

That’s racist!

Power Falcons

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Never seen that before. I assume you’re still allowed to laugh in today’s society?

I bet you are a joy to fly with.

Any idea the breakout in A320 PIs in say the bottom 4, 3, or 2.5k of the seniority list?

just go into CCS and put in TI for position.

LOL....Bless your little heart. Whatever makes you sleep better at night. :cool:

Were those said buddies the same ones who would pine their squadron for their coveted "ID-10-T files" too??

See 'pencil whip'. They will make the training program fit their needs, again.

it’s not pencil whipping. You can’t and they won’t pencil whip a new instructor it violates AQP. However if a really experienced really excellent instructor who left in March wants to come back to the same fleet why not give him a short course? Pilots get one.......but that course isn’t designed nor approved yet.

Predominantly they will be coming off of other TK fleets, correct? In fact, they were required to put out the job posting but they don’t intend to hire anyone who isn’t already in the building. If you aren’t already a PI you are of no use to them.

that is not correct.

they surplused off the 756 and 777 they are offered positions in TK.

the CCS message for instructors is for any pilot at the airline.

the surplused 756/777 instructors will need a full QUAL on the new fleet plus A full IOE and full consolidation. Then they will need fleet specific IE training. Anyone from the line that is not current and qualified on the fleet they are hired too will require the same.

the surplused PIs will not be ready to teach until January at the earliest. New hire instructors will be able to instruct before them.

Interesting! I assumed that using surplussed instructors was a 'shortcut'. Good to know! I haven't done the math/analysis, but it looks like PI availability may very well be a 'guardrail' in their furlough calculations.

Thanks, good to know. I’ll qualify what I said, then....applications from anyone 10000+ will certainly go straight into the trash. It would have been more honest to announce the furloughs first and then solicit PIs after. At least that way the junior people interested would know to not waste their time.

Also, earlier in the thread you said you wouldn’t rule out them developing an “E-LDRQ” style abbreviated PI training syllabus, correct?

so I’ll give you an example. A good friend of mine was a 737 PI. He elected to take a CA bid in DEN on the 737. He went to training in FEB and got out just befor the shutdown. He is now facing 737 FO reserve in DEN. I haven’t heard from him in a while but I would not be surprised to see him come back. So he is out of TK for 6 months and been on the same plane and was an instructor on the same plane. He most likely needs a QC and he’s good to go.

However just like everything else this is unprecedented so we have to build then get approval from the FAA.

A quick job like this would ONLY work for an IE who is coming back to the same fleet AND was only gone for so long think RQ2/3.

you can’t get a new instructor or a current instructor going to a new fleet done that quick.

To add to this... Our current procedure (at least on the 737) for qualifying a new instructor who is already current on the fleet goes well above and beyond what is required by AQP. The AQP guidelines are fairly minimal for someone to get started teaching procedures and maneuvers. After teaching awhile, a new instructor get Qual’ed to do LOFTs and MVs.... So for someone returning to the building on the same fleet likely wouldn’t even need a “short course” to be developed for the initial qualification. They could just simply do the minimum required by AQP or in the case of your friend, possibly just a QC.

Semantics. How about I say it another way: they will change the current IE course to achieve the fastest possible qualification allowed by AQP.

ok....but that isn’t going to happen overnight. No matter how you look at it our training programs are accepted by the FAA. You change anything you need approval. It doesn’t matter what the company wants if the FAA says no.

E-LDRQ happened basically overnight didn’t it? Even ALPA training committee hadn’t heard of such a thing. Actually, TK has already had a relatively long time to work out some of these “impediments” to speedy training and retraining throughput.

I’ve never been an instructor at United, although in a previous life I worked for FlightSafety as a sim instructor on a Hawker. From the time I was hired until I could teach Part 91 guys was 3 months minimum. Then it took almost a year before I was allowed to do Part 91 Checkrides, another 6 months before allowed to teach Part 135 guys.....etc. You get the point. It’s not a quick process to ramp up and qualify a new instructor.