Conditional Partial Month COLA
 

What is this condition bid? I read it that I would only be awarded it if I would be otherwise involuntarily furloughed. But if a pilot senior to me gets furloughed I won’t be awarded it. So how would I or anyone else ever be awarded this?

That’s right and makes no sense. Reps confirmed...it’s utterly useless.

If everyone above you took a voluntary furlough, empty line, or half month COLA.

Then it's dependant on what the company decides to award.

We'd all need to be on board taking one of those options.

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Scenario 1- no one gets furloughed. Your bid is never run. You keep 100% of your job and pay

Scenario 2- you are involuntary furloughed but there was enough voluntary takers at the senior level that the company decides to award a bunch of half month COLAs. Your conditional bid is ran. Result- whatever your bid can hold/company decides to award (Half month, empty line, etc)

Scenario 3- Same as scenario 2, except someone senior to you didnt put in a bid and is involuntary furloughed, you and everyone junior to him is now involuntary furloughed, regardless of what your bid says. Result- Invol. Furlough

Scenario 4- not enough furlough mitigation and most if not all 2250 are involuntary furloughed. Company can’t afford more half month COLAs so you don’t get any award. Result- Invol. Furlough

There are only 100 slots anyway for 10k pilots

If anything is so confusing you can't understand it then it's not good. I think it's worthless and I wouldn't touch it.

Wrong. There are 100 guaranteed awards per program not 100 total.

Big deal. Out of 13000ish pilots and 3900 hostages on the execution line, 100 guaranteed awards for empty lines or a half month COLA which equates to a 2 for 1 save a pilot ratio doesn’t give me the warm and fuzzies.

the limiting factor right now is not the company limit but how many people actually want one.

there is no warm and fuzzy to be found anywhere.

Scenario 5 - you would be the first 'Invol' furlough - you have a conditional bid in, and are awarded your top choice that is still available. The new first 'invol' furlough is now one number junior to you, rinse and repeat if they have a conditional bid in.

My mentor said the company will award as many Option A and B as possible, just a minimum of 100.

which is why it is very important for everyone to put a bid in

This is exactly how our competitors WN, AS, AA, DL, JB are able to not furlough. Seriously everyone read the MEC info, an unconditional 1/2 COLA bid by the thousands who are able, WILL save most furloughs on property! The company is willing to award thousands of these with the exception of 1 category that I am aware of (787). So pony on up, keep the contract, and wear your frign mask. We are in this poo sandwich together and we can fix it together.

thank you!

WRONG!

We should tell the company and the union they can shove both of these substandard pieces of crap.

The reason the other airlines are better at mitigating furloughs is their programs are more inclusive and pay better.

United's suck!

The numbers (or lack there of) of takers prove it.

I would have gladly volunteered for a half month COLA had they company not raised the furlough target from 2250 to 3900. Now that I'm in the furlough crosshairs, as the company moves the goalposts, why would I volunteer? Full pay to the last day, so to speak.

Splitting 1 line between 2 pilots is a substandard piece of crap? Seems like a reasonable way to make half pay, have a heap of free time and save a brotha or sis from the street to me. Now the VSL being age limited I understand some complaints.

More inclusive? This is open to every single pilot on property, how more inclusive does it get?

1 more thing for you. Put a mask on.

^^^^^^^^^^^ yup ^^^^^^^^^^^ this ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I do wear a mask, but thanks, I guess.

Sure half time lines are ok, right up until you compare us with other airlines.

Maybe you guys just aren't paying attention.

Our early out is one of the least inclusive programs and we have the lowest number of takers.(substandard)

Furlough mitigation.

Alaska
50 hours, off for 6, 12, 24 months.
No going to recurrent, no half ass schedule, just off.
They save 1 furlough for every person on leave.
0 projected furloughs!

United.

Expected to work 1/2 time for half pay, and 1/2 the furlough mitigation. (And it is open to categories at the companies' discretion which is not everyone)

What is not substandard about ours when you compare them?

Numbers don't lie. Our numbers of pilots on leave is behind our peers. That is what is substandard. Our number of warn letters is about to be the highest.

Hopefully, the company and union will agree to a better plan.

What does the empty line option “save” furlough-wise?

please put in a bid for something. If you don’t and get involuntarily furloughed then you’ve sealed the fate for thousands junior to you.

There’s just no way every single person will be on board. That’s the rub with this thing. A flat-out furlough is more ideal/appealing to some than a half month cola or even an empty line.

I wouldn’t envy the position that puts them in. If that’s the position of the most senior furloughed pilot (s)he’ll likely be considered pretty infamous among a lot of pilots. I’m not saying they shouldn’t bid what’s best for them, but there will be some who will blame that person for them getting furloughed instead of having a chance at a half month cola.

Wouldn't they be able to put in for a voluntary furlough?

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Per the MEC email - it seems that if you are about to be furloughed, you have the option of converting to a ‘vol’ option to protect junior pilots who ‘want’ a MMSL or HMCOLA. It gets screwy if your state doesn’t allow for UI and a voluntary furlough.

Since we normally would claim UI for our domiciled, does any know concretely that those (NJ, CA, etc.) states won’t allow unemployment for a voluntary furlough? Seems like something that should be fleshed out so folks have all of the facts when making these decisions.

Conditional
 

Coming back from LTD in next month or two. Can I bid Conditional Options if still on LTD now?

With the latest snapshots and bidding closing today, it doesn't look like 3900 pilots are opting for these bids...

Conditional bids aren’t closing today, only unconditional

History repeating itself?
company just announced “COLA” for Feb ‘23.. on FO side. (And Guam Capt)
any takers?!

seriously, you can’t make this **** up.

This was the only (old) thread that I could find that relates to past COLA’s.
They could offer SRL’s but now, instead.. they would rather have you be a seasonal worker.
Ask yourself- why are they doing this?!

Motch

It's pretty incredible... hiring 200 guys a month but still offering COLAs because we're overstaffed? I think the obvious implication is too many FOs and not enough CAs, which should be yet another sign of extraordinary leverage as we try to close out this contract.

Yupe..
you also have to wonder what the backlog in training is like. At some point, are individuals bringing in revenue for the company?

Just wonder how many takers they will get? Sit reserve at home and not fly (or minimum) and take home 73 hours of pay., or do a COLA and bring home nothing BUT not have to worry about scheduling and our reserve rules.
If they can offer COLA’s while still hiring, why not let pilots drop trips (lineholder) or reserve days?

Crazy F’ing times.. lol
Motch

Does this action have the possibility of unintentionally freezing FO’s transitioning to CA?

It’s clear there is real leverage CA’s have, will folks intentionally hold their bid to CA until the contract is written?

It’s what I’d do, but I can’t speak for everyone, let alone anyone.

Exactly what I was thinking

this cola thing is weird. They’re saying DCA 73 is over staffed, but they’re going to give IAH FOs 90 hour lines? No balancing involved here?

Airlines have always staffed for the summer and been fat through the winter and early spring. What's the issue with allowing people to take time off if they want to?

They also mentioned they were going to offer COLA again over the last few months so I'm not sure where the shock is coming from.

This is probably the new normal for a while. The company wants to hoard pilots for later. They can't afford to stop hiring, so they offer a COLA so people volunteer to leave the payroll until the summer. Rinse and repeat, I bet

They used to be a pretty normal occurrence in the slow months. Not a bad deal if you don’t use United medical or care about vacation accrual, but for the newer hires considering it, make sure you understand what you’re going to be paying for under a full month COLA by referencing 12-J of the UPA.

Not sure about the narrow body scene but the wide body backlog is almost back to normal for the most part.

No appreciable backlog on NB

It seems to me that being over staffed right now is in-line with the stated plan. If they want to take delivery of a plane every three days, they can’t exactly start off lean on staffing. They’d never catch up.

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