He'll be gone soon enough, as soon as the balloting closes is my guess. He was here for one reason, to sell the deal.

oh....I checked out when that Gardner ahole and all his accounts blew up. Didn’t need that disaster in my life.....so I missed a few things.

Not that it really matters, but his posts remind me of JM - an ALPA National Affairs Committee member.

Why won’t it let me vote?

somebody already voted for you

For some reason APC is not letting me vote...

Top third - Easy yes for me.

Not a perfect agreement, but then again none are. There are some good gets in this agreement: Possible 5% pay raise, additional RJ restrictions, P-VSL2, displacement cancelations, and non-profile reserve language to name a few.

This is not a pay cut - I just get to spend a bit more time at home every month!

This agreement is not about me - this is the least we can (and should) do for our potential furloughees.

I ha e heard this same thing said by a lot of the too 1/3, it’s refreshing.

Serious question: come May what are we going to do for our potential furloughs? Pandemic TA-2? How will be able to cut them loose then if we’re not prepared to do so now...and I’m not suggesting or advocating we chop them now.

Bottom 1/3. Yes for me. My hope is that even if the industry is not on the road to recovery at least there will be other flying jobs available, perhaps overseas, as was the case in previous downturns. Those jobs are not there right now. With the vaccines being developed maybe they will be in June.

Agree 100% ... if I were still on the property it would be an easy YES for me.

If we furlough next June we will be bankrupt. Period end of story.

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This 100%

I’m the Master of Puppets with my 2500 posts...I am omniscient...

Bold statement. If that’s the case, why did the company negotiate for the ability to furlough 2000 and still keep the TA going? If what you say is true, the company could have just left that part out since bankruptcy triggers termination of the TA anyway. Am I missing something?

No inside info, but my thoughts are the union wanted to prevent furloughs...a noble effort....and the company just said, “look, here is the pot of money we have for pilots until June. If you guys can figure out a way to prevent furloughs, we’re all ears.” Then the union dutifully went about cutting MPG to manage the company.

I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’d like to think the company is smarter than that.

If the airline isn’t at a place by next summer that’s north of 70% of 2019 the company will only have a few months of cash left until they must go bankrupt. If next summer is a bust we won’t make it through next winter.

I understand your point, but it doesn’t answer my question.

That’s really some sound fundamental analysis. 70% of what? Revenue? LF? Block hours? Regardless even at our most recent qtr daily cash burn of $26 mil a day, that’s $.8bil a month. We have over $17bil on hand. We won’t be bankrupt in June. You realize the company can negotiate debt down outside bk? That’s most likely happening. We have cares 2 on the way - more cash. But hey - lets vote post haste and give them a handout.

You are correct we won’t be bankrupt in June. HOWEVER if next summer is a bust and we can make any money then we will not survive through next winter. The company will need to stratigacky plan bankruptcy. Wwaiting until the last minute provides its own challenges.

come June the company will either furlough Zero or will furlough more than 2007. They won’t be looking to reduce cash burn or break even. They will be looking to start making money again. They will not carry dead weight. The TA 2007 number means very little in my opinion and was there to show the dire circumstances we face. I believe it’s sole pourpose was to scare up yes votes.

If CARES 2 happens then this TA doesn’t mean jack so why even stress about it?

Now the results are in, I'd like to say that my bold prediction was correct. Guess the votes were a representative sample with a rough margin of error.