It's Done
 

58% for, 42% against. Discuss.

Cool let's move on!

New U meet Old U.

Welcome to the new Mesa!

Is this considered a C Scale?

We have voted to variabalize our pay. It’s an exciting time to be at United !

Post-merger UAL is and will remain the best passenger airline to work for. This deal will help ensure that. Still a gamble, but odds are in our favor.

Enjoy bankruptcy!

UAL history just dictates that.

You voted for what you thought is best and am thankful some of my close friends keep their jobs.

Best of luck to you all.

So the constant barrage of “gOt yEr Stuff in” will continue? Sweet!

How was the airline picture a year ago? Pretty good I’d say.

How about some optimism? Right now over 170 different vaccine formulas are going through trials. Yes, a way to go, also they will never be 100% effective. Then we have this election to get past.

The picture could be VASTLY different next June. That’s a large part of my mindset, adjust as needed later.

so you taking the EO?

Expect crickets from those that have been negative on the TA and indicated they'll take an EO.
They'll return here to either gloat that this TA didn't work or will develop amnesia WRT to the TA and EO.

come cut my grass. 😁

Will be gone before ch-11 hits but hey thanks for asking, go back to celebrating.

10% less days worked for the top
18% less days for the middle
50% less for the bottom.

and the tiers are fluid, especially with potentially 655 new members to the top two. Not to mention some of my WB buddies who’ll bid to a lower tier and commute only twice a month

seniority honored and we are all in this together

I have been negative Andy but have never indicated taking an early out.. I'm still comfortable saying I don't think it will work, but when it doesn't I won't be gloating. I don't get pulled in to the this will have us in better position when it all turns around, I can't believe they sold the group on that statement. I am okay if I'm totally wrong but I will be surprised.Time will tell.

Wrong. PVSL2 pilots, despite not flying do not create tier move-ups until they turn 65 (or 24 months from DOS, whichever comes first). So even if 655 sign up, it won’t move the tiers at all.

Regrettably I’m not on team Duvie. Fracturing the pilot group to achieve this victory is disgusting. I know you don’t understand.

What were the detailed terms


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this is correct and a huge bummer.

With the savings, does this mean the inflight service will get better?

It won’t let me paste all 29 pages here. Maybe find a friend at UAL and have them send it to you.

AA guy here, would literally be happy to mow your grass to pay my bills. Congrats to you guys on at least some semblance of unity, I am ecstatic for your junior group to be able to provide for their families

Um, no savings to company. Costs then a lot more so service will probably suffer .

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"Days less worked", that is not true. Oh, if only it were that simple. 2:20

Wait till your vacation month rolls around and do the math. Keeping the vacation multiplier at 2:20 will be a paycut for many pilots. Remember the 2:20 comes from 70 hours MPG divided by 30 days. Why did the mulitplier not change to the commensurate MPG? Ah, its just the fine print. Who reads the fine print anyway?

And when is going from 70 to 60 a 10% cut?

Cool. I haven't followed all of this closely enough to know what everyone's saying in terms of EO.
There was another person complaining that he just missed the age limit for the previous early out. Will be interesting to see what he does.

Having been furloughed twice from the lazy U, I know how bad it sucks. I'm glad we were able to keep these guys on property a while longer.

At this point, it all depends on how fast people will return to flying. And that's going to depend on how long it takes for Covid to be done. I expect at least one of the vaccines in phase 3 trials to be fairly effective for Covid.

Have you heard of this company called Delta?

What exactly would be the indicator of it working or not?

In your(or any other "no" pilot's) opinion what is the absolute rock bottom outcome of this agreement?

I think the bottom is ch-11, I believe we were on our way and I think this will move us there quicker. I also think the divide among the pilots will be worse than people think. But hey JMO.

Pre covid yes. Now doesn't look so good.

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I can care less where you work. 😂

The widebody ratio here has been incredible for everyone’s career advancement and QOL. Yeah, heard of Delta. I have nothing against that place. I have enjoyed UAL greatly since the merger and wouldn’t trade some things we have here for more $; hopefully things will recover soon for United, Delta and everyone else.

This turd will fester for years. I invite the gloaters to come back in 5-10 and revisit the discussion.

As we can see, the widebody international flying is a two edged sword. Awesome when there's a lot of international flying. Not so much when there are no international pax ... which is where we're at. United really needs international flying to return and that won't happen until Covid's a memory.

So you think the company wants a BK?

we’ll send you a postcard.

if we furlough less than 2007 people (thus allowing the TA to live out its full 2 years) during the worst air travel demand downturn since most of us were born, I would consider that a win.

furthermore, if United is not profitable enough in the next 5 years to trigger the 5% increase in pay, (along with keeping additional scope protections, high earning WB FOs and captains not taking a $3000+ /month hit if they develop unforeseen medical issues, etc.), Then I don’t think any of us will be doing very well and it won’t be the fault of the TA.

if the temporary duration of this TA is ignored somehow, or the provisions follow us into bankruptcy, PM me and I’ll buy you a steak dinner and bourbon of your choice. If I’m right, we all win and I’ll still buy you dinner ;-)

We will furlough more than 2007 so the whole thing is a colossal waste of time.