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BenTover 10-09-2020 07:03 AM


Originally Posted by UALfoLIFE (Post 3142570)
I’ll bet a lot of guys didn’t take it out of spite for TA in general. Now these people will stay here and complain about low LPAs when they could have had more money to stay home lol.

One of the most unintelligent posts I’ve seen in years.

MasterOfPuppets 10-09-2020 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3142495)
Surprised? Really? Of all people that’s a bold statement coming from you. IIRC you we’re one of those trumpeting how great EO2 was and that alone was reason enough to vote this LoA in. Well, don’t be so shocked when many more of your prophesies don’t come true wrt this LOA. I do admire your honesty though. As for me, not surprised at all that many EOs were left on the table.

its 363 pilots that we would not have had take an EO without the TA. So I call it a win!

BrianHackett 10-09-2020 09:09 AM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3142680)
its 363 pilots that we would not have had take an EO without the TA. So I call it a win!

Which the pilot group paid for, winning!

MasterOfPuppets 10-09-2020 09:20 AM


Originally Posted by BrianHackett (Post 3142718)
Which the pilot group paid for, winning!

see that argument doesn’t make any sense to me.

if 4000 pilots had been furloughed without this TA, then wouldn’t they be paying for you to keep 70 hours MPG? Wouldn’t they be paying for those 363 to still be employed? Wouldn’t they be paying to keep the company afloat?

The pilot group is always paying somehow it’s just a matter of who is paying and how much.

Big5 10-09-2020 09:32 AM


Originally Posted by BrianHackett (Post 3142718)
Which the pilot group paid for, winning!

You also realize these EO2s don’t create any movement wrt the seniority list or at least not for a couple years until they actually are retired. This is another one of those little gems in the LOA to keep the lower 1/3 in the lower 1/3. They take the EO, we pay for it and we don’t even move up in seniority. I call it a loss.

MasterOfPuppets 10-09-2020 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3142744)
You also realize these EO2s don’t create any movement wrt the seniority list or at least not for a couple years until they actually are retired. This is another one of those little gems in the LOA to keep the lower 1/3 in the lower 1/3. They take the EO, we pay for it and we don’t even move up in seniority. I call it a loss.

yeah but now a bottom 1/3 may not get furloughed because those pilots are now permanently retired.

However, your point is valid and it is a HUGE negative and it’s one of the items I was displeased with

Chuck D 10-09-2020 09:49 AM


Originally Posted by Big5 (Post 3142744)
You also realize these EO2s don’t create any movement wrt the seniority list or at least not for a couple years until they actually are retired. This is another one of those little gems in the LOA to keep the lower 1/3 in the lower 1/3. They take the EO, we pay for it and we don’t even move up in seniority. I call it a loss.


Somebody's gotta fill the seat.

Also, I saw some 53 year olds (maybe a few even younger and good on 'em!). So they don't move the list technically for 2 years. But then they sure do.

HuggyU2 10-10-2020 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets (Post 3142436)
I am absolutely blown away at how small the take number was on this.....I figured people were going to be denied.

Yeah, I'm pretty surprised at the low take-rate from the 63 & 64 year olds. I believe that there are around 550 of them, and only about 40 took it.

Everybody has their reasons for staying an extra 24 months or less rather than taking the offer... but I didn't expect that many would.

Nucflash 10-10-2020 05:03 PM

One guy I spoke with held off because he would be unable to contribute his own money into Schwab.

Chuck D 10-10-2020 05:09 PM


Originally Posted by Nucflash (Post 3143443)
One guy I spoke with held off because he would be unable to contribute his own money into Schwab.

Man those are pretty marginal gains if that's the only reason, but everybody has a different situation.


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