Second 14-Day Window
 

Anyone else not understand the options available to them when you find your employee # in the 900 ish page pdf that’s linked in the second 14 day CCS message that was sent to those eligible to rebid a different airframe? I was displaced from 756 to 320 and my 3 options are CLE737, DEN 756, and SFO 787.

Those are literarily your only three options if you want to participate. Thus, if you are happy where you are don't do it.

However, if you pick one you WILL get it so that's why there is no percentage bidding.

And if you get it (787), unless you’re mid tier seniority range and above I wouldn’t count on ever going to training before the clean up displacements come.

Yup, and that could actually be a "bump game" strategy considering that on any subsequent displacement one can bump to whatever category one can hold and not just the choices on this do over.

Why CLE, DEN, and SFO? It doesn’t make sense to me why it’s base specific when DEN 756 is more senior than EWR 756. You said if I pick one I will get it. So based off the info I gave you, I have a 100% chance of getting SFO 787 if I select it?

I’m guessing you could have previously displaced to EWR 756 but chose not to? This bid is only for BES you could not have displaced to before.

If you select SFO 787 and it was shown as an option for you, you will get it. But you could still be displaced in the future.

you can only choose a position that you could NOT have chosen during the displacements. If you had the ability to go elsewhere during the three displacements then they assume you are where you want to be.

100% you will get SFO 787. They cannot say no to you for those options they gave you but those are the only options you have.

No I couldn’t get Ewr 756 because I was displaced from that to Ewr 320. I’m in the June furlough cross hairs so it’s probably futile but it could improve furlough pay if I could hold WB pay. Just doesn’t seem realistic in this climate to get a pay raise so that’s why I’m so confused I think.

Yes.

This could not be any simpler: if you participate and pick any of your specific choices you WILL get it. If you prefer your current category then don't participate.

As others have mentioned above, everybody's choices on the "do over" are different based how the previous displacements played out. And because of that, only a subset of pilots are even eligible for the "do over" anyway.

you were displaced out of EWR 756 and your displacement wasn’t canceled? But now you can hold it? Something doesn’t add up....if you can hold it now then they should have canceled your displacement which means you would not participate in the do over.

Did you volunteer out of EWR 756? If you did then it won’t be available because you could have kept it.

Cool thanks! The list is showing SFO 787 on about 500 pilots. So if everyone selects that, they will just clean it up w a displacement bid later?

It is going to be real risky to play the bump game. A lot of variables we don’t know.

how Understaffed is the 787?
they are augmenting with CAs so they will want to end that.
they are paying a ton of PP and they will want to end that.
they are paying WAY over min gurantee so they will want to end that.

all they have to do is drop FO LPA down to TA limits and they won’t have to displace that many. This will allow for them to run fewer vacancy bids and reduce training costs.

Presumably, yes.

But don't bid it if it's not something you can live with.

Im using your post as a jumping point.....

I wouldn’t bid the 787 just because LPAs are 85.....they don’t have to stay that way they could could very easily drop below 50.

Sorry I may have stated it poorly. I was displaced from Ewr 756 to Ewr 320 and I can no longer hold Ewr 756, just 756 Den (which used to be senior).

Great point to consider for those thinking they’ll crush 85 hours on the 787. That may not last much longer after this window closes.

Im bidding the 787 based off of what you said here. IF I actually keep it and get sent to fly the 787 and I’m making full reserve pay that’s great. However if they slash the LPA’s down to 50 or below and I’m off more during the month that works better for me.

Look at the junior Man matrix. You were displaced form 756 EWR and didn't have your displacement cancelled. Simply put you aren't senior enough to hold EWR 756 any more. DEN 756 had all their displacements cancelled and that BES had gone quite junior late last year (12400ish) same with SFO 787

I was displaced off the 756 but I was previously qual'd on the 737 within the 34 month window. I'm leaning towards keeping my displacement award of the 320 and forfeiting pay protection, mainly because I hope the 320 flight deck is much more enjoyable and a little more seniority in the 320. Anyone flown both and willing to compare the flight decks and FO workload? thanks!

uhhhhhh.... FO workload, who cares? Flight deck: Airbus by a country mile. Trip selection: YMMV

Difficult decision. Would you have to fly with NucF? I’d pass on any BES that put me next to him.

pay difference is negligible... I’d bid 320 just for the comfort.

thanks for all the good replies. appreciate the advice

Is there a list to see how many are bidding a BES? Thanks!

there is a category summary that has the first 14 days attached to the bid. There is no snapshot for the this 14 days that I am aware of.

im not sure it matters you 100% get your first choice and your choices are limited.

Don't bid the bus. You'll never want to go back to Boeing. Much nicer ride.

I'd suggest you look at schedules for each BES so you have an idea what to expect as far as monthly hours and destinations - if that matters to you. Personally, the comfort and much more intuitive flight deck makes the bus the only choice for me.

According to the CCS msg, there will be periodic snapshots:
"Percentage bidding is not permitted, and you may only make a single selection, even if the selection you make is a category for which you are not eligible. Periodic snapshots of pilot bids will be published; the snapshots will indicate if a pilot has selected an ineligible category."

Pardon the interruption here - but are things not working as advertised (or promised)?

No dog in this fight but sure seems like there are an awful lot of dissapointed or confused folks having a difficult time understanding their displacement choices or lack thereof.

huh.....interesting.....my dumbass was able to figure it out......

I buy beer. He didn’t think twice about voting to furlough your ass. The choice of who you want to fly with is yours.....:D

Just stay on the Bus, you wont be disappointed!!

Carlson and ALPA email says there will be snapshots. They don’t say when or how many.

Snapshots are worthless when you have 3000 pilots making selections that can change with the click of a button... the subsequent displacements in Dec will be the real deal.

With the closing of the various BESs, it’s inevitable there will be overstaffing. The company’s mitigation strategy perhaps might morph into a cyclical problem until demand returns. Completely reopening the 756 may be an option to exploit that capability while attempting to optimize pilot utility. These rough times make it difficult to strike an optimal balance!

Very true, but in this “do over” process I’d like to have an idea if I’d be 2999 out of 3000 going to the 787. Slight exaggeration, but even PC quipped that DEN 756 would get 3000 pilots.

First snapshot is out and my employee number isn’t showing up anywhere on the list, even though I got email confirmation of my 787 selection. Looks like 787 FO goes into the 8000s seniority then the document ends. This stuff is plain weird.

look again.....it has me correct

not as many 87 FOs as I thought they would get.

You really think it’s correct that nobody junior to 8000 bid SFO 787? I triple checked, I didn’t make the list. Not sure where this is laid out that we are guaranteed whichever option we select like you all unanimously state.

Then stop asking for help?

Seriously. It's in both the documentation from the company and ALPA for you to read yourself.

On a side note, it does appear that the list is either incomplete or corrupted. That does not mean that the info is wrong.

I’m showing the most junior pilot awarded SFO 787 is about 12,472

Looks like they fixed the file and added pages 15 and 16 which are all 787FO. Thx