PVG Layover
 

Just a heads up for anyone going to PVG.

The hotel is an absolute mess. Slimly, most disgusting hotel I think I've ever been in. The Covid procedures are a mess, no one in Shanghai knows what is going on day to day. It changes hourly.

The Chinese gov is dictating foreign crews stay in this pit. Don't do it. I will not be going back. Fair warning, the crew desk has been taking some innocuous trips, (I was supposed to go to ICN,) and changing them to PVG. That's how I got this turd.

FSAP'ed and PDR'd. I have not heard anything back from any of my reps or ALPA. My guess is it's hitting the fan about now, hopefully the system is in the process. We should not be flying to PVD as long as the Chinese gov insists layovers be in this hotel. Da Zhong Airport Hotel Shanghai. This layover is starting to show up a lot in trip trading--as in out of.

Just as a small example, the water at the hotel is not safe to drink. REally? ALPA?? MEC?? Safety??

Oh, I forgot to add, the internet is so slow, it really doesn't work. I could just barely do text based email. Constantly dropped, don't even think about graphics, or pictures. For a while I couldn't even log onto CCS, it kept timing out. And remember, it's China, so anything related to Google is blocked.

So, being held hostage, prisoner, with no internet and 1 English TV station broadcasting Gov propaganda....Swell time.

Yeah, there’s a reason FDX and UPS don’t do layovers there anymore.

Rumor has it they are locking you in the room with an armed guard in the hallway. Also heard the door is opened 3 times for your “meals” which consist of barely anything edible that you have no choice over.

So you don’t know if this is true? You haven’t personally experienced this?

It was told directly to me by someone that went there recently. Would you feel better if I substituted rumor with allegedly?

Have not seen any armed guard on my layovers in PVG. I open the door to get my food they drop off and they are not great but to say barely anything edible is a stretch. You actually order the type of food you want before you leave USA such as western, local whatever, lots of fruit, omelet in the morning. Do I bring my own food? yes I sure do but the meals delivered to your room are edible. IMO You are walked to your room and out of your room. They have a sign you put out if you want them to ring your bell when the food arrives. The refrigerator works well if you bring your own or food and drink off the plane. The wifi is not very good but I used it, and the cell works well.

I was also told about a guard, before we left but didn't have any. However, they will not give you a room key, so if you leave, you have no way back in the room.

There was no order form, no choice in the food. You get what you get. Now, it wasn't bad, but say if you wanted Hindu or vegie? You are out of luck. Oh, and the food doesn't come till about 2 hours after you are in the room. So staying awake till then is a problem. Let's see, 3 hours after block in to the room.....2 more hours for food.....held hostage.....yeah. No thanks.

No one there has any usable info, and even if they did, they have no way of communicating it.

Must be doing things different as we had choices, and also we were able to change the time of the food. Trust me Dave I don't like it all but just reporting how we saw and did things. Im sure you already did but if not let your flight office know that some bases are getting food choices. JMO

Welcome to what the rest of us flying freight have been dealing with since March.

Par for the course.....same information evaluation process he used for the TA vote.

You really are a dolt. I was told this directly by someone who flew there so I guess he would be lying then. As far as evaluating this pos, myself along with 42% of your fellow pilots saw this for what it is. A socialist scheme with very little upside subsidizing the company. A scheme that no doubt my cut in pay funds your ass on the property. I can’t wait for the excuses next year for round two of why we will need to give more.

BTW, show me on the doll where Dogbelch hurt you.

This info tracks with what I’ve been told first hand by someone that just flew it. They also had the “never again” qualifier.

One thing that’s being left out is the Sani-tabs you have to throw in the toilet and let mellow for at least an hour before flushing. There were multiple articles investigating COVID19 spread in Chinese high rise sewer pipes. Apparently the required field hotel doesn’t have a plumbing water seal between rooms/floors. This setup was attributed to the spread of COVID19.

Here’s an article that addresses the potential danger of a common plumbing vent line which seems to be the standard technique in China.

https://waterandhealth.org/disinfect...-sewage-pipes/

Regards the TA, we’ve heard it all a million times. If you want to continue crying, there are other threads.

Regards the topic in question, it’s annoying that people post crap that they have zero personal knowledge of....to be refuted in a later post, no less, by someone with actual experience. Huggy was right to call BS.

Scott,

I'll bet that you fly with a LOT of guys on reserve.

He should start perving out to chicks in bikinis some 40 years younger than he is! That’s the first step for any captain stuck in the no fly list rut.

I guess you find his trolling entertaining. You must admit, he is an expert on everything. Even something that over 40 percent of the guys he works with take significant issue with. He summarily dismisses any criticism with pithy commentary, just like his side kick. It's getting old.

I have no doubt that you had a different experience. I think they are inventing things as they go. No one knows how the deal was sold so they make up stuff or it changes on the fly. Glad you had a choice.

My feeling is that the first few times, they had better treatment. It seems to be degenerating.

BTW, I did hear back from the SFO LEC. They are working on it. But I doubt things will change until after the election. Everything politics may change after that date.

My point is that I was concerned with my safety. That should never happen on a layover, no matter the politics of the situation.

I totally agree with you! I just had to rib you a bit. That’s all.

Sorry, Jm. Apparently, I suck at subtle nuance and sarcasm on the forum. And I'll admit, he does have quite a cheering section so I expected some blowback. Expectation bias?

All good my friend! Expectation bias is a real thing and I can see where you’d brace for the blowback. Back to my Bourbon and spooky movies. Cheers!

Crying? Hardly. I’ve actually come to enjoy recently meeting several of you spineless yes voters whining about the unintended consequences. But you’ll never whine because you expect others to pay your salary. Which is really disgusting and arrogant in my opinion...as all socialists like yourself are.

Regarding the topics in question, you must have a reading comprehension problem. I clarified the info I was given was by someone who went there which as others have stated the same general info. But you knew that.

Wow, I'm a spineless yes voter...I'm just a bit senior.

Easy Dave....my spineless comment was directed at the arrogance displayed by select few on here carping about this loa and not you. And the couple of pilots I’ve talked on the line that are now regretting their yes vote well yea they sounded spineless.

Fact of the matter is I’m very surprised given your posting history you voted yes. At least you’re not a condescending ahole about it like some others.

I doubt you have come across anyone complaining about the unintended consequences. You choose to blame your fellow pilots for the carnage that covid is doing to our industry. This TA is driving a much bigger wedge between pilots because of people like you who are too obtuse to the state of the airline. No one expects anyone else to pay their salary and this TA doesn't do that. Covid is the cause of your "socialized" pay cut and this TA lessens the change in QOL and pay for a good portion of our list. Like most No voters I have encountered I doubt you even read the full language. Why stop a good conspiracy theory or chance to rail against socialism between fox news commercials.

So again, PVG layover sucks?

I dunno man,24 hours alone, I don’t have to talk to anyone, my family can’t get ahold of me? Food gets delivered to my room? Sounds like a dream!😜

Toss in a hot room with no a/c control, intermittent and painfully slow internet, and one English TV channel and you have the trifecta.

The TA absolutely subsidizes the salary of the would be furloughed pilots, otherwise there would not have been any cuts in guarantee. How can you not acknowledge this? Furloughs are paid with with the pay cuts of others, not to mention the pay protection windfalls. Delta got it right where only the would be furloughed get a pay cut.

throw in 50-100% add pay and the layover becomes a bit more palatable... I bet some senior folks are ****ed that junior pilots are snapping up these trips when they hit 50-75% PP.

A lot of reserves to go through before that happens.

happened yesterday out of ORD.......100%

NEVER drink tap water in another country. Bottled only. What are you new?

I'm not even crazy about doing it in the US.

That disregards those who would have gotten a pay cut due to displacement had the TA not provided a reversal/pay protection. Delta does not have that if I am reading their’s correctly.

A handful of hotels have their own water treatment facilities. Even then, I am leery. I brush my teeth with bottled water. No ice in my coke. No lettuce (often raw row crops are fertilized with human waste). Welcome to how the rest of the world lives.

You get it! I had to learn to survive when I had several layovers in Bangladesh and several other garden spots around the world.

I think young teenagers should live in a developing country for awhile, and see how most people live. They would not be spoiled brats after that. They would recognize what they have in the US. Or at least they would be a lot better.

mall three FO SEATS ARE AT 50% in ORD for tomorrow right now.