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Birddog 03-08-2021 05:21 PM
Cares 3 and full April schedules
 
My Spidey senses are tingling.

Pop smoke 03-08-2021 05:30 PM
Word is if this passes; is it MPG until September 30?

hummingbear 03-08-2021 11:34 PM
Not sure the meaning of “Full April Schedules”. There was a CCS message about this already. PBS has already been loaded for 45% bucket per LOA. (Reduced work & credit hours by seniority bucket.) Once Biden signs CARES 3, April pay will be reconciled to UPA credit guarantees. In other words, April becomes a “partial work, full pay” month.

Birddog 03-09-2021 03:22 AM
Originally Posted by hummingbear (Post 3204589)
Not sure the meaning of “Full April Schedules”. There was a CCS message about this already. PBS has already been loaded for 45% bucket per LOA. (Reduced work & credit hours by seniority bucket.) Once Biden signs CARES 3, April pay will be reconciled to UPA credit guarantees. In other words, April becomes a “partial work, full pay” month.
Yes, and if the company was smart they would delay PBS and make April a "full work, full pay" month.

There was a CCS message about possiblly adjusting PBS timelines.

Sunvox 03-09-2021 04:02 AM
Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 3204602)
Yes, and if the company was smart they would delay PBS and make April a "full work, full pay" month.

There was a CCS message about possiblly adjusting PBS timelines.
Part of the reason for wanting the LOA was to spread out the flying more than is allowed per contract so as to keep more pilots current. I just flew with a October 2019 new hire FO who didn't fly for 10 months. As an example NY Airbus has 3700 flight hours in April, well below norm. If they build min credit lines as per the LOA they can double the number of FOs who stay current.

Making April "full work, full pay" is not beneficial to UAL pilot currency; besides why not enjoy one last month of getting paid for 70 hours (ultimately) and only working 30-60 depending on where you sit.

MasterOfPuppets 03-09-2021 07:57 AM
Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 3204602)
Yes, and if the company was smart they would delay PBS and make April a "full work, full pay" month.

There was a CCS message about possiblly adjusting PBS timelines.
The UPA requires it to be open on a certain day so let’s not waive that.

BurritoBeach 03-09-2021 08:19 AM
Vacancy opens today and looks like the vacancy for closed categories will open later on this month.

Paul’s update is up on FT now.

cadetdrivr 03-09-2021 03:30 PM
Originally Posted by Birddog (Post 3204510)
My Spidey senses are tingling.
For good reason.

This just arrived in my inbox.


April PBS Reset

In anticipation of enactment of the American Rescue Plan that includes the Payroll Support Program for airlines, ALPA is working with the Company on an agreement to forego building April lines under reduced-work provisions and instead proceed with full-month PBS bidding. This would mean full UPA minimum pay guarantees and line construction rules would remain in effect for April and beyond. Further details from the System Scheduling Committee will be released as soon as possible.

Oly2016 03-09-2021 04:16 PM
Originally Posted by cadetdrivr (Post 3204950)
For good reason.

This just arrived in my inbox.


April PBS Reset

In anticipation of enactment of the American Rescue Plan that includes the Payroll Support Program for airlines, ALPA is working with the Company on an agreement to forego building April lines under reduced-work provisions and instead proceed with full-month PBS bidding. This would mean full UPA minimum pay guarantees and line construction rules would remain in effect for April and beyond. Further details from the System Scheduling Committee will be released as soon as possible.
Why would we do that? I just put in my bid for a 45 hour line which will pay 70 hours with the cares extension, and now I will have to add more days of work to get that same 70 hours? Scratching my head on this one.

LUVPLANES 03-09-2021 05:31 PM
Originally Posted by Oly2016 (Post 3204972)
Why would we do that? I just put in my bid for a 45 hour line which will pay 70 hours with the cares extension, and now I will have to add more days of work to get that same 70 hours? Scratching my head on this one.
Huh, you voted NO for the LOA so you should be happy with full work for 70hours of pay. Don’t be sneaky and try to use or b!tch about the LOA to work in your favor now since you voted NO on it.


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